June 2012 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Post-12.2 Market Research / Planning (was Re: [opensuse-factory] Calling for a new openSUSE development model)
by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky 19 Jun '12

19 Jun '12

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Robert Schweikert <rjschwei(a)suse.com> wrote: > This, as you state requires planing, which is what we have avoided/ignored > so far. To this point our releases have mostly grown organically and this > has put us into hot water w.r.t. the time based release schedule every now > and then, more so now than previously. > > Following the "planning" argument would lead to another discussion thread. > > > "Do we as a community want a feature planned release?" I'm going to state some opinions here. They're biased and I haven't done much data gathering, so my assumptions about the "state of the world" are probably off, but here goes: 1. There are two classes of Linux distros - commercially-supported (commercial) and community-supported (community). RHEL, SLES/SLED, Ubuntu and Oracle are the four best-known commercial ones. I personally can't name another, but I'm sure there are some. 2. Of the community distros, the best known are Mint, Fedora, Debian and openSUSE. There are hundreds of others, as a visit to Distrowatch will show. Fedora is supported in part by Red Hat and openSUSE is supported in part by SUSE/Attachmate. 3. Here's where my knowledge is hazy, but I'm going to take a stab at it. I think the most commonly used *community* distros in server deployment are CentOS, a respin from source RPMs of RHEL, and Debian. There are a lot of servers running Ubuntu but I'm calling that a commercial distro, not a community one. My impression is that there are few servers running openSUSE; most Linux servers are either running a supported commercial distro, CentOS or Debian. If someone can point me to recent and accurate survey data on Linux server usage, I'd be eternally grateful. ;-) 4. Linux on desktops / laptops is essentially irrelevant. Again, I haven't seen recent figures, but my impression is that at *most* Linux represents three percent of the market, with the rest split somewhere in the 85:15 ratio between Windows and MacOS X. Linux netbooks were not commercially viable. The general principles of strategic marketing are fairly well known and I don't want to go into a lecture here. Briefly, you want to invest in *growing* markets and capture market share of *paying customers*, not *users*. The markets that I see growing are cloud / IaaS / PaaS, "big data / data science / business intelligence / text analytics", and "social / local / mobile". That's where Red Hat / Fedora are investing, and that's where Canonical / Ubuntu is investing. And that's where I think SUSE/openSUSE needs to invest. 1. I think we need an openSUSE PaaS. Red Hat/Fedora has OpenShift, and Ubuntu is the core of VMware's Cloud Foundry. Both Fedora and Ubuntu ship with OpenStack Essex. I think 12.2 should ship with OpenStack Essex, not Diablo, but that's not going to happen. I can live with the B1 Systems repositories for now. 2. I think we need to package the major "big data" infrastructure tools. Hadoop for sure, but probably damn near everything the Apache Foundation maintains - Mahout, Cassandra, the UIMA natural language processing infrastructure, etc. There's a fair amount of yak shaving there; in particular making all the Apache magic run with OpenJDK is a bit of effort, but somebody needs to do it. OBS is the logical place to do that. NoSQL: we've got MongoDB and CouchDB and Node.js and Redis already, but Riak is in and out because of build failures, and I don't think Neo4J has ever been packaged. 3. Ubuntu is absolutely crushing the rest of the distros in social / local / mobile. They've got docking with Androids, an app store, music services, ... Fedora doesn't seem to care about this at all, and perhaps Red Hat made a conscious business decision based on hard data. We need to get some hard data and make the conscious business decisions - can SUSE/openSUSE *win business* in social / local / mobile, and how do we do it? Partner with Intel / Samsung / Tizen? In case you missed it, Nokia dropped Meego, HP flushed WebOS and RIM is on the ropes. I think there's an opportunity here. -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb Computational Journalism Server http://j.mp/compjournoserver Data is the new coal - abundant, dirty and difficult to mine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Java 1.7.0 'promotion' breaks other packages
by Michal Vyskocil 19 Jun '12

19 Jun '12

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:50:50PM +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Monday 18 June 2012 16:08:29 Michal Vyskocil wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 02:54:47PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Seems these last days, Java 1.7.0 was 'promoted' to be the default Java > > > in Factory (must have missed the 'integration work' going on and the > > > announcement?) > > > > Hi Dominique, > > > > as I've been working (and still do) hardly during several past weeks, > > trust me - there has been a long "integration period". I know that > > something went wrong, but that shows only the fact devel project layout > > as is is not usefull in such scenarios ;-) > > Yup, we need to fix some of that, luckily we discuss it :D > > Dominique's comments however were also very much about a lack of > communication. The hard work is not something anyone has to doubt - but we > (SUSE) don't talk enough about what we do. If you need any help with that, > talk to me or one of the openSUSE Boosters - it's our job to help with such > things. Well, I've announced the start of OpenJDK7 project - at least http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-05/msg00137.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-java/2012-05/msg00000.html and I am sure that the default jdk will be announced properly in the future as with new release cycle, it will happen regulary. Regards Michal Vyskocil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Are there any instructions on how to get apache2 working ? on localhost
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

Hello, Are there any instructions on how to get apache2 working ? on localhost I get the following error on factory[1] when I try http://127.0.0.1/ File listing see [2] apache2 installation [3] Thanks Glenn [1] Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact 127.0.0.1. Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection.Could the site be temporarily unavailable? Try again later.Are you unable to browse other sites? Check the computer's network connection.Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing. [2]File listing /srv/www # ls cgi-bin htdig htdocs # find . | sort . ./cgi-bin ./cgi-bin/htsearch ./cgi-bin/info2html ./cgi-bin/info2html.conf ./cgi-bin/infocat ./cgi-bin/qtest ./htdig ./htdig/common ./htdig/common/bad_words ./htdig/common/english.0 ./htdig/common/english.aff ./htdig/common/footer.html ./htdig/common/header.html ./htdig/common/long.html ./htdig/common/nomatch.html ./htdig/common/short.html ./htdig/common/synonyms ./htdig/common/syntax.html ./htdig/common/wrapper.html ./htdig/images ./htdig/images/button1.gif ./htdig/images/button1.png ./htdig/images/button10.gif ./htdig/images/button10.png ./htdig/images/button2.gif ./htdig/images/button2.png ./htdig/images/button3.gif ./htdig/images/button3.png ./htdig/images/button4.gif ./htdig/images/button4.png ./htdig/images/button5.gif ./htdig/images/button5.png ./htdig/images/button6.gif ./htdig/images/button6.png ./htdig/images/button7.gif ./htdig/images/button7.png ./htdig/images/button8.gif ./htdig/images/button8.png ./htdig/images/button9.gif ./htdig/images/button9.png ./htdig/images/buttonl.gif ./htdig/images/buttonl.png ./htdig/images/buttonr.gif ./htdig/images/buttonr.png ./htdig/images/htdig.gif ./htdig/images/htdig.png ./htdig/images/star.gif ./htdig/images/star.png ./htdig/images/star_blank.gif ./htdig/images/star_blank.png ./htdig/search.html ./htdocs ./htdocs/gif ./htdocs/gif/l_arrow.gif ./htdocs/gif/r-ball.gif ./htdocs/gif/r_arrow.gif ./htdocs/gif/r_hand.gif ./htdocs/gif/u_arrow.gif ./htdocs/info2html.css[2] [3] Output from apache2-2.2.22-3.1@x86_64: Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... Running module permissions only Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.permissions... Checking permissions and ownerships - using the permissions files /etc/permissions /etc/permissions.easy /etc/permissions.d/mail-server /etc/permissions.d/postfix /etc/permissions.local setting /var/log/btmp to root:root 0600. (wrong owner/group root:utmp) Finished. Updating /etc/sysconfig/apache2... looking for old 2.0 modules to be renamed... Done. # rpm -qa | grep -i apache2 | sort apache2-2.2.22-3.1.x86_64 apache2-utils-2.2.22-3.1.x86_64 apache2-worker-2.2.22-3.1.x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Java 1.7.0 'promotion' breaks other packages
by Dominique Leuenberger 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

Hi all, Seems these last days, Java 1.7.0 was 'promoted' to be the default Java in Factory (must have missed the 'integration work' going on and the announcement?) One of my packages (libgda) now fails due to that; the openSUSE Factory status monitor correctly 'lists' this as 'Java 1.7 breaks it'. Yes, this can happen.. I'm mostly 'surprised' of something like java having a promotion like this, while this entire discussion is going on. And in plus, I'm not even convinced that libgda is at fault. chroot'ing into a buildroot with this java installed, for example even show: laran:~> java java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory => So java does not even work! How could this variant even be considered to be promoted to the 'default' java in Factory now? Where did the tests happen? How much test did happen before this change was accepted? Dominique (Yes, I COULD change libgda to use java 1.6 again.. but that won't change the fact that java 1.7 is 'just broken') -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] We go from bad to worst! - Now a bug in bugzilla
by Juan Erbes 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

2012/6/17 maury63ts <maury63ts(a)icqmail.com>: > Hi > > I've the same problem with yast, and have execute the same change version of > yast2-xml...... but the result isn't chanched > > I use gnome, not kde > You executed "ldconfig", to update the libraries cache after installing this package? Regards, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] several packages broken after a recent update to xine
by Ilya Chernykh 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

The typical error is error: invalid conversion from 'int' to 'xine_stream_t* {aka xine_stream_s*}' [-fpermissive] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] inappropriate hard dependancies on mail?
by Felix Miata 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

I tried to remove all of procmail, sendmail and postfix with zypper rm. Zypper wanted to remove 42 packages, to wit: Most (all?) of KDE3 nmh xf86-input-* xf86-video-* xkeyboard-config xmh xorg-x11 xorg-x11-driver-* xorg-x11-server Can it not be (a) bug(s) that so much requires mail be installed? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Tumblweed and GNOME 3.4.1
by Greg KH 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

I now have GNOME 3.4.1 running in Tumbleweed, but wow, it's tough to get installed due to some odd dependancies. Because of that, I don't feel comfortable moving it to the "main" openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo at this point in time (it's in openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing if anyone wants to play with it.) But, I'm sure that people do want to use it, so, any thoughts on what to do? Just wait for 12.2 for users to be able to pick this up? Or beat on the dependancy tree some more to try to make it easier to upgrade? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Tumblweed and GNOME 3.4.1
by Greg KH 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 09:40:48PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2012 7:59 PM, "Greg KH" <gregkh(a)linux.com> wrote: > > > > I now have GNOME 3.4.1 running in Tumbleweed, but wow, it's tough to get > > installed due to some odd dependancies. Because of that, I don't feel > > comfortable moving it to the "main" openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo at this > > point in time (it's in openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing if anyone wants to > > play with it.) > > > Which dependencies are causing issue? Is the GNOME:Apps report part of > Tumbleweed, it could hold some answers but vuntz/zaitor/DimStar would probably > be best to answer. Yes, I had to dump a few packages from GNOME:Apps in, as they would keep old libraries around, which caused a problem. That's not really all that big of a deal, although it could get "big". The biggest problem was the typelib-1_0 dependancies, that packages seem to need, yet you had to force the update by hand in order to get zypper to realize this, and then actually upgrade the package. That is something that we can't ask anyone "normal" to do, as it takes a long time and isn't automated. Although I guess I could say this is a bug in the GNOME packages that this happens, right? Has anyone had this problem with just using the GNOME:3.4 repo on 12.1? I guess I can go subscribe to the opensuse gnome list to talk about this there... thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] We go from bad to worst! - Now a bug in bugzilla
by Juan Erbes 17 Jun '12

17 Jun '12

Yes! This sounds funny, but yet when I try to add commentaries to a reopened bug, bugzilla fails with a bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/process_bug.cgi Software error: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction [for Statement "UPDATE bugs SET assigned_to = ?, component_id = ?, priority = ?, product_id = ?, status_whiteboard = ?, target_milestone = ?, version = ? WHERE bug_id = ?"] at Bugzilla/Object.pm line 324 Bugzilla::Object::update('Bugzilla::Bug=HASH(0x29a3300)') called at Bugzilla/Bug.pm line 640 Bugzilla::Bug::update('Bugzilla::Bug=HASH(0x29a3300)', '2012-06-17 20:08:58') called at /shared/bugzilla/docroot/process_bug.cgi line 622 For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster(a)novell.com) giving this error message and the time and date of the error. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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