March 2008 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] opensuse 11 alpha 3 torrent problems
by Stephen Shaw 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Is there no one seeding the 11 alpha 3 torrents? I've had them up for over an hour and haven't gotten any data yet? Thanks, Decriptor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Autorunning software on openSUSE CD/DVD
by Vincent Untz 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Hi, In GNOME, we have a patch that checks if a mounted media contains an executable setup.sh file or a media.1/patches directory. If this is the case, setup.sh is launched as root in the first case and "yast2 online_update .cd_default" is run in the second case. I guess this feature is used to automatically launch an install/upgrade when an openSUSE CD/DVD is inserted. There might be other uses, but I'm not aware of any. I'd like to change our CD/DVD to also have an executable script called autorun, autorun or autorun.sh which would automatically do the right thing (ie, detect the desktop environment and run the right command). Those filenames are standardized in the freedesktop.org autostart specification [1]. What is the right place to add those files? Thanks, Vincent [1] http://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.… -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] eth1_rename_ren / wlan no longer working
by Dominique Leuenberger 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Hello, one of my recent factory upgrades 'killed' my WLAN connection. First I though it might be something kernel related, downgreaded kernel, no success. Then were some problems with wpa_supplicant (the -f was m issing it's parameter, as documented ion some bugzilla entry)... got fixed.. but still, I do not have a wlan connection. Yesterday I was finally taking the time to read some log files.. and the culprit seems to be dhclient which can not find the interface. I ASSUME it might come from a 2x rename of the interface that happens during bootup. eth0 (wired) still works, so dhclient is actually working (so does NM in general) eth1 get's renamed to eth1_rename and a second time during boot to eth1_rename_ren and somehow I fear that some internas even call it eth1_rename_rename (maybe that's why dhclient does not find the interface anymore?) So basically my question would be: how can I stop it from renaming this interface all the time? eth1 would be a perfect name IMO :) Cheers, Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Experience of switching to Factory from Ubuntu
by Alberto Passalacqua 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

I read this interesting wiki http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Projects/Lived_in_Project/Ubuntu#Experience_of… There are some interesting points I share, and some points that imho are what characterize SUSE since the beginning, so I think it would be interesting to discuss them a bit to hear what users think. Vincent, the author of the page, asked me to clarify that what he wrote are his opinions. Of course it's the same for what I write. :-) I will comment point-to-point, hoping not to forget any. Quoted text is from the page. Let's start: >Note that some of the items here are simply caused by the fact that >openSUSE tries to be everything at the same time (distro for server, >desktop, etc.). It might make sense to have an install CD for server, >and another one for desktop. I like the full-featured DVD, which can do everything. And I think that having everything in one place just adds value and simplifies things both for the final users and for the maintainers. I mean: 1 medium allows you to do what you need to, and it's easier to keep under control its quality, at least in the general aspects (more people use it). >Also, there's something wrong with factory if we want people to use it >(especially developers). Ubuntu is doing a much better job here. >the installer is way too complex, with too many things to do, even with >the current simplification work going on in Factory. Yes, it does a lot of things and it takes longer than ubuntu, that's sure. But on the contrary it leaves you with a fully configured system, with the software selection you want, with network properly configured even if you have various interfaces, with a firewall properly set-up and with running printing services. So I vote for keeping it long. >sudo should be used by default for a desktop install. It doesn't make >any sense to have the root account. There's an option "Use the same >password for root as the one used for the user" in the installer, but >it's not about sudo, I believe. Thanks for pointing this out. I was myself a sudo supporter, but someone with more technical experience than me explained to me that sudo is not the right way to follow for various security/conceptual reasons, and I agree. In the end, UNIX has root, and the users should learn to manage it. It doesn't add complexity if properly explained. About the "Use the same password for root", I think it's plain wrong. Using the same password for root and the user reduces security. >in openSUSE, there are two radeon drivers: the old one and the >randr1.2-enabled one (new one), probably because the new one is still >in beta. Still, it doesn't make much sense to have both and the new one >works fine. Only this one should be used. I agree. If the one selected is really working in all the cases. If not, better two than a complaining user. >on startup, there's a 10 seconds delay in grub. Ubuntu only uses 1 or 2 >seconds. It helps with the feeling of booting faster. >Ubuntu seems to boot faster. There might be less services, some >services are started after GDM is shown, etc. upstart might help too. Ten seconds in grub are a reasonable time to allow the user to select the operating system. And I think it's a basic requirement also for accessibility. Not all users are young, fast and without issues. >Ubuntu uses brown as the color for the root window when starting GDM >(it's a gdm config option, I believe). It helps with the transition >from the brown gdm theme to the brown default background on the user >desktop. In openSUSE, we still use the greyish blue. It should be some >green. Hehe I love green, so I agree. But green is not much appreciated by various users, who switched back to blue or personalised backgrounds. >the menu bar is completely unusable in openSUSE: icons are too big >(distro patch), and there are tons of submenus (because we use the same >menu config as KDE?) I think it's related to the idea of offering a comparable choice of applications to the users on both DE. The real, not addressed, point is that the menu (main-menu) is not well implemented and it's probably one of the most buggy piece of software we have (read never solved leaks). I would love to see a kickoff-like implementation in place of the app-browser. >with only a very short look, I saw many >not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany, >rhythmbox for example. This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta, gedit with python support, ...). >Ubuntu is quite good at uploading new packages as soon as upstream >releases (at least, for GNOME). This is really great for a developer >like me. I agree. But I don't want to think to continuous updates to the released version ;-) >when I update openSUSE with "zypper dup", I have to download nearly 1GB >of packages. I seriously doubt that all of them were updated. It takes >me hours to get all updates... (slow DSL line) This is because dependency issues in the gnome side at opensuse are historical. One package usually brings half of gnome with itself. I don't know if it's necessary, but it's a common complaining we get. >the Ubuntu development version is nearly never broken. Factory is >always broken in some way (still usable, but either no network, or >uninstallable updates, or impossible to mount a usb key, etc.). Another historical issue. I always read/experienced these issues. >I had to manually install the firmwares for my intel wireless card >when I don't have a gstreamer plugin, totem shows a dialog proposing me >to install it. It just opens a webpage. Ubuntu actually installs the >right package (and adds the repository if needed) Well, ubuntu violates a bunch of laws doing that :-) The intel firmware is provided on a non-OSS support and on the DVD, and should be installed by default. Online there's the non-OSS repository, which can be added at installation time. Keeping OSS and non-OSS separated is one of the long discussed key decision openSUSE made. >I couldn't find all gstreamer plugins for factory... So no multimedia >experience for me. This depends on the fact that those plugins can't be hosted in -factory for the same legal reasons they're not provided with the distribution. Moreover they're packaged by non-Novell related guys. >it's actually confusing to have so many repositories on >software.opensuse.org. If possible, everything should go to the main >factory repository. I agree. But for codecs, drivers and others things, there are legal issues. >there are tons of installed packages by default that don't make any >sense. Some graphical ones (gftp? skencil?), some non-graphical (tcsh, >ksh, zsh: do we really need all shells by default?) Well, except gftp (the only decent FTP client for GNOME), the rest should be removed. It's ages we get the complaint of suse having this issue. >Ubuntu doesn't use a firewall by default because the default services >are secure and trusted (ssh, avahi, eg). With openSUSE, I have to >choose what I want to do with the firewall. Ubuntu does wrong on this side. Services are secure until you don't prove the contrary, and this happens often, considering that SSH is regularly patched, for example. A firewall is necessary imho, but its configuration should be easier. For example, while it's easy to open SSH port, it's a mess to have a properly working samba because of closed highports (hehe I know I said this too many times). >too many unneeded yast stuff. Users don't need to know about apparmor. Why not? A user can happily ignore that. Who does decide that the user doesn't need to know? That's not the UNIX philosophy. The user should LEARN to use his system, and the system should provide sensible defaults, of course (as a proper AppArmor configuration). >A tool to config the mouse model in X shouldn't be needed. The model of the mouse is selected in SaX, where the whole X is configured, and I think it's there because it might be necessary to set things in a fine way in certain cases. >There are 8 >launchers in the Software category and I don't understand >what they >are... etc. Perfectly agree on this! >seahorse/gnome-keyring integration: in Ubuntu, when I ssh somewhere, a >dialog pops up. In openSUSE, I need to use the standard ssh-agent, it >seems. I agree on this one too :) >in the middle of the afternoon, I see beagle-build-index and the man db >rebuild happening. Lots of hard disk use. Middle of the afternoon is >when I use my computer. It should be done during the night if possible. Hmm. This looks like a cron-job issue. It's usually done around late evening here. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] ntfs-3g, fstab settings for 11.0?
by Oddball 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

Hi, The guidelines in wiki tell to use this: ntfs-3g user,users,gid=users,umask=0002 0 0 to be able to write to ntfs: http://nl.opensuse.org/NTFS#Automatisch_aankoppelen this one tells me that permissions cannot be changed. originaly it is as in 10.3: ntfs-3g users,gid=users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=nl_NL.UTF-8 0 0 this one tells me that cannot be written too... Both do not work. As i moved to another PC not so long ago, i do not have an example of the right settings anymore. Does someone know the 'real' settings? (rw) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] java troubles
by Putrycz, Erik 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

I was hoping the update to alpha3 would improve my java problems... Now Eclipse just crashes after few minutes of use... any clues? This happens with 3 different JDKs so it is very unlikely to depend on the JDK Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] alpha and beta releases updates
by Putrycz, Erik 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

I'm considering installing the latest alpha over my 10.3 system because I'm having way too many issues running java apps. I never installed any alpha/beta or factory so I was wondering, once I have the alpha 2 installed, will there be a smooth upgrade path to the alpha 3 and beta or will I have to re-download the whole DVD every time? Erik. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Notes on 11.0 Alpha3 installation: Password
by Rajko M. 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

While setting users I selected long password for both user and root. Installer told me that it is too long for authentication method and if I want it can be truncated to 8 characters. I agreed and number of the dots in password field was reduced. Later when I wanted to login with only 8 characters of password it wasn't accepted. Entering again and watching on number of characters didn't helped. It has to be original size that was typed in. I see 2 bugs here. 1) Message that is in contradiction with anything I learned before. 2) Even if that is new policy, it doesn't work. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Notes on 11.0 Alpha3 installation: GRUB menu.lst
by Rajko M. 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

Something strange happened to GRUB menu.lst after update, but that is known problem, to some extent: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.0_dev There must be some time to stop adding new entries in menu.lst, and cleanup the junk. This should be possible at least for previous long entries that are after update invalid and perl-Bootloader knows about them. Besides what is the purpose of adding the long entry that is identical as the one that uses symlinks. To have chance to create junk pile in menu.lst. Here is mine after removing all junk. ***************************************************************************** # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Fri Mar 21 19:11:13 CDT 2008 default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/message ##YaST - activate ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 hwprobe=-parallel,-misc.par resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Floppy rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader (fd0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off x11failsafe initrd /initrd ***************************************************************************** Here is Alpha original: ***************************************************************************** menu.lst after update (useless) ***************************************************************************** # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Fri Mar 21 19:11:13 CDT 2008 default 4 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/message ##YaST - activate ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-8 root (/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-8 root (/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default### title openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 hwprobe=-parallel,-misc.par resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Floppy rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader (fd0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off x11failsafe initrd /initrd ***************************************************************************** menu.lst.old after update (edited and useless) ***************************************************************************** # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Fri Mar 21 19:11:12 CDT 2008 default 3 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/message ##YaST - activate ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-8 root (/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-8-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default### title openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 hwprobe=-parallel,-misc.par resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Floppy rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader (fd0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off x11failsafe initrd /initrd ***************************************************************************** menu.lst-mine after update is the same as before, and actually working despite all efforts to make different. So if you want to have real backup copy, than move menu.lst in your root user directory, or at least make some suffix that doesn't fit in perl-Bootloader ideas of backup files. ***************************************************************************** # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Fri Mar 21 20:22:13 UTC 2008 default 2 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/message ##YaST - activate ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 - 2.6.25-rc5-git3-6 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /initrd-2.6.25-rc5-git3-6-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 hwprobe=-parallel,-misc.par resume=/dev/sda1 splash=silent showopts initrd /initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Floppy rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader (fd0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_VBOX_HARDDISK_VBb972202e-6a774bd1-part3 vga=0x317 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off x11failsafe initrd /initrd -- Regards, Rajko. 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[opensuse-factory] Notes on 11.0 Alpha3 installation:More on partitioner
by Rajko M. 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

Partitioning proposal to use 10.3 disk was rejected and I was in Expert Partitioner. Deleted partitions on HD1 and HD2 and started to create new. Selected (highlighted) hard disk that I want to work on. Press Create button and partitioner is asking me what disk to use. It would be nice to inform module, that is behind Create button, that hard disk is already selected. After being done with HD1, I selected HD2 and pressed Create button. Why when I knew that preselection doesn't have effect. Probably because it is that way in many other programs, select object that you want to work on and start action. It works automatically. The dialog to select hard disk popped up and I can select either disk, although HD1 is completely used. I can't recall what disk was marked when dialog was opened, but it should be the last that I worked on, so it would be HD1. Press OK and I can see the message that there is no space on disk. It would be better to put check, is there room on HD, before you open dialog asking on which disk to work. In this case it would be possible to completely skip dialog, as there was only one disk left. In other cases one can remove disks that are full from the list. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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