November 2008 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] People say RC1 is ready, but I have the latest on Factory and show 5.2
by Ben Kevan 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

All the people are saying RC1 is ready on factory, but when I download using zypper dup, I still get: grep -i opensuse /etc/*-release /etc/SuSE-release:openSUSE 11.1 Beta 5.2 (i586) From download.opensuse.org/factory/oss and non-oss Am I missing something, or did someone forget to update? Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1
by Quentin Jackson 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 16:08 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: > Quentin Jackson wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 13:57 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: > >> I just updated beta 5 via zypper. All seems to have gone well, but I > >> noticed there's STILL a "show stopper" for a LOT of users with Intel > >> video. Performance is the pits.....pure and simple. OpenGL screen savers > >> don't run properly....often with a small widow of the same image super > >> imposed on the full image, and they can still lock up the 'puter. > >> Because of this, I don't dare install RC1 on a desktop with a nVidia > >> video card for fear of what will happen. There are driver and/or "X" > >> problems that must get fixed before release. wmv format movie clips > >> "stutter".......not smooth due to poor performance. > >> > >> Fred > >> > > > > I'd say this is an Intel related problem, many many people have NVIDIA > > working without hassle. The best thing you can do is push via the bug > > that you will have logged or found. I agree though, it's these kind of > > show stoppers that OpenSuSE still needs to get better at, the Jury's out > > to whether we finally have a working wireless networking solution since > > 10.3 for example. Still, theres one last chance before the GM version. > > In my opinion this type of thing is the single only thing that lets this > > distribution down and I have no idea how to fix it. Otherwise OpenSuSE > > would be as near perfect as a distro could be. > > It's always the same crap that bites us in the butt.....drivers!! wifi > is working for me with an Intel Pro w/3945 chipset. NOT as well as in > the past, but working. Yes.....marginal wifi and video simply CAN'T be > allowed in a GM release!! Since Intel did release the code fro it's > video, I see no reason why the driver isn't good. Well, that opinion right there (about the can't be allowed in a GM release) and an opinion that I generally share is in my opinion the little nugget that causes/fixes the issue I'm talking about depending on the particular developers take on it maybe and the community as a whole. I've tried to raise this before, even tried to talk to Andreas about it but after too-ing and fro-ing evetually ended up with no response unfortunately. I would love this topic to be brought up and voted on, but I have no idea where to raise it, if it has been officially raised before or anything. Does anyone know where we could look at this as a community? To me it might just make the difference between awesome software that works sometimes and awesome software that can be relied upon. Q > > Fred > > -- > "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties > than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to > control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by > deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks > will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up > homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Installer stops at configuring graphical card-monitor in 11.1b5
by Jogchum Reitsma 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Yesterday I bought a system with a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 mb, Intel Core2Duo and 2GB mem, with a Club 3D 8800GTS installed. Installation of 11.1b5 x86_64 went smoothly, up till the configuration of the graphical card. Screen went black, no cursor. I could go to vt01, log in and run Sax2, but again a black screen, and now the keyboard was locked too. Installing 11.0 final went well all the way. I didn't find a related bug for 11.1 but may have overlooked it of course. I'm downloading 11.1RC1 at the moment, but is there any hope things will be better wirt RC1? regards, Jogchum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1
by Quentin Jackson 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 13:57 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: > I just updated beta 5 via zypper. All seems to have gone well, but I > noticed there's STILL a "show stopper" for a LOT of users with Intel > video. Performance is the pits.....pure and simple. OpenGL screen savers > don't run properly....often with a small widow of the same image super > imposed on the full image, and they can still lock up the 'puter. > Because of this, I don't dare install RC1 on a desktop with a nVidia > video card for fear of what will happen. There are driver and/or "X" > problems that must get fixed before release. wmv format movie clips > "stutter".......not smooth due to poor performance. > > Fred > I'd say this is an Intel related problem, many many people have NVIDIA working without hassle. The best thing you can do is push via the bug that you will have logged or found. I agree though, it's these kind of show stoppers that OpenSuSE still needs to get better at, the Jury's out to whether we finally have a working wireless networking solution since 10.3 for example. Still, theres one last chance before the GM version. In my opinion this type of thing is the single only thing that lets this distribution down and I have no idea how to fix it. Otherwise OpenSuSE would be as near perfect as a distro could be. Q > -- > "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties > than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to > control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by > deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks > will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up > homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] XFS Boot Problem
by Quentin Jackson 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 21:28 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 18:43 -0000, peter nikolic wrote: > > > On Saturday 29 November 2008, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 14:45 -0000, peter nikolic wrote: > >>> Had to use Reiserfs for the boot partition on the laptop here running > >>> XFS on / > >>> > >>> would not boot using XFS boot partition. > >> > >> Using reiser for the /boot partition is usually a mistake, because a lot > >> of space is used for the journal. For a small partition, about 100 MiB, it > >> is better to use plain ext2 (not 3). > > > > Yep i realise that but i have this thing about the EXT series file systems i > > have never had anything bot complete hassle from them so i would rather waste > > a little space and use a filesystem i know and trust . > > It is not a little space: it is about 30%. > > It is so little a partition that you will not have problems with it being > ext2. Actually, for /boot ext2 (or even ext3) is the type with less > problems of all types. > For my two cents worth, I think I'll go with ext2 or ext3. The only thing that makes me consider using ext3 is I know how often this filesystem get's problems and a journal will likely help that. That said, not much changes on a /boot partition and it's not hard to rebuild. Q > - -- > Cheers, > Carlos E. R. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkxpegACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XO0wCfQzRhOKKfBX3zSgYkq6HtEwbM > JXcAnA5+1MywVlwbZZwg3kuuJnAJoGez > =F7Kp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] RC1 sources?
by Toni Harbaugh-Blackford 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Are the 11.1-RC1 source rpms available anywhere? Thanks, Toni ------------------------------------------------------------------- Toni Harbaugh-Blackford Advanced Biomedical Computing Center (ABCC) National Cancer Institute -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] IDE ext3 - recovering journal after normal reboot
by Quentin Jackson 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 22:20 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 10:04 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote: > > > I don't mean to be too contentious, but these are the reasons I switched > > to XFS. I would actually prefer to be ext3 since it's more common. > > Just my 2c :) > > Actually, about two versions ago xfs had a problem similar to this one, it > was not synced on halt. it must be recorded somewhere on the archive. I guess I've been lucky :) I used to have to do ext3 fixups quite often on home and root. Out of interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home. Q > > My main root partition is ext3, but home is xfs. > > - -- > Cheers, > Carlos E. R. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkwYJMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V2kgCdFS4GX3X30Fr31721yUbmfKUh > 6PUAnjyIoFmofiwm0h+GVVaESt8hzR90 > =1Oeh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] GRUB, instead of gfxmenu
by Felix Miata 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

I did updates via zypper dup from download.opensuse.org/factory this AM on one system, and subject was the result. MBR is standard code. Grub is on (hd0,0). Why would any updates have found it necessary to mess with the installed Grub on (hd0,0)? Which update did it? How do I prevent it from happening again? Possible related matter: I use a /boot which is shared between Fedora and openSUSE. As a consequence, I try to avoid letting either mess with Grub at all. To that end, I don't normally mount the /boot partition on /boot. Instead, I automount it on /disks/hda/boot, and when I know something needs (hd0,0) it to actually be on /boot, I remount it there, as when running mkinitrd or installing a new kernel. Also to that end, I've renamed /etc/grub.conf to /etc/grub.conf- to prevent scripts that use that file from tampering with the real boot partition. As a consequence of that, lately the kernel installations have been hampered by e.g what is show here: # Bootsplash: openSUSE (1024x768) # 14840 blocks # 2008-11-20 19:47:51 ERROR: Core::ReadFiles: Failed to open /etc/grub.conf # /boot directory is not mounted. If this is bad detection you can avoid it by 'export PBL_SKIP_BOOT_TEST=1' # error: %post(kernel-pae-base-2.6.27.5-3.2.i586) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 # # 2008-11-20 19:51:55 kernel-pae-base-2.6.27.5-3.2.i586.rpm install failed (Full /var/log/zypp/history at http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/SUSE/Factory/zypp-history-kt880 ) Note that the "# /boot directory is not mounted..." above is a lie. It may say in /etc/fstab that that should have been the case, but it was not the actual state while the new kernel was being installed. Why does a new kernel installation require anything to access /etc/grub.conf anyway? -- "Love is not easily angered. Love does not demand its own way." 1 Corinthians 13:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Why no kernel-source
by Ben Popatopalous 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

With on board nVidia 6150 [on an ASUS M2NPV-VM mofoboard] I use the nvidia driver as in most distros nv is useless. Yes after all these years it still doesn't work for a lot of us with onboard nVidia graphics. This requires in openSUSE Alpha/Beta/RC that I have kernel-source installed. Since yesterday we are offered to install: The following packages are going to be upgraded: kernel-default-2.6.27.7-8.1.x86_64 (Updates for 11.1, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany) kernel-default-base-2.6.27.7-8.1.x86_64 (Updates for 11.1, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany) kernel-default-extra-2.6.27.7-8.1.x86_64 (Updates for 11.1, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany) Where is the corresponding package for kernel-source??? What's the hold up? -- Thanks, ben popatopalous -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Full system freeze - how can be investigated?
by Carlos E. R. 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, My factory beta 5.2 freezes completely, randomly. I assume it is the kernel. There is nothing in logs. I opened a bugzilla, but they ask for more info. I have none, they don't say what I can do. Beagle was running, and main partition is reiser, but they haven't commented on this possibility; 11.0 crashed because of this when it was released - is this problem still around? How can I obtain more info? Forget about the typical memory, disk, whatever hardware issues: the system is solid under 11.0, it is 11.1 which locks, thus it is a software issue of 11.1, supossedly the kernel (disk and network lights stopped, key-cap led stuck). They pointed me to "http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs/Kernel", but there is nothing there I can use, AFAIK. I assume I could connect the machine via serial port to another, and make kernel log everything there. But how? I'm currently re-compiling the kernel, to enable "CONFIG_DETECT_SOFTLOCKUP=y", but this will only print to the screen, and which screen? As X will be locked, there is no way I can look anywhere else but the place where I was when it locked... - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkt1DAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U8hwCePV/J2m/K5O/4NoKvxoy/GBvr 1fkAn2aT96oiIdEU+GBC3H+ZE4YfP2nB =vRTa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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