Re: [suse-schools-usa] We need a list charter [ was: Re: Whoa ]
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 11:09]:
However, I think we should take a vote on a very important issue as an educator:
Educators like to exchange ideas. So shouldn't we make this a LANGUAGE specific list instead of Country specific.
Yes, that's how the rest of our lists are with the exception of the schools-uk list. They wanted something specific to the UK. The USA part wasn't my idea and I think can be safely ignored (but again, that's for you to decide).
EX: suse-schools-english@suse.com
Other intrested people that speak different languages can follow suit.
EX: suse-schools-spanish@suse.com
Because:
1. We can certainly exchange information and ideas with teachers from GB, Australia and other English speaking countries.
2. We need to format the group to fit the exchange of ideas as educators.
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'. -- -ckm
On Friday 12 April 2002 11:14, Christopher Mahmood wrote: - - - snip - - -
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
Hi: I wonder if the UK list would think we should change now? I think we would all benefit by consolidating to language-specific as our illustrious Lance suggested. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
* tom poe (tompoe@renonevada.net) [020412 11:53]:
On Friday 12 April 2002 11:14, Christopher Mahmood wrote: - - - snip - - -
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
Hi: I wonder if the UK list would think we should change now? I think we would all benefit by consolidating to language-specific as our illustrious
The -uk list is almost exactly what I don't want this to be. It seems to be people looking for support is better done on one of the general purpose lists. -- -ckm
On Friday 12 April 2002 11:58, Christopher Mahmood wrote: - - - snip - - -
The -uk list is almost exactly what I don't want this to be. It seems to be people looking for support is better done on one of the general purpose lists.
Well, then change the charters. Tell the UK list to change theirs to "technical" english issues surrounding schools. And make ours all other issues, and we'll be coordinated. <grin> In the meantime, I would appreciate some opinions on whether this site has value to the apps side of our proposed demo we're looking for [I'm looking for]: http://sal.kachinatech.com/ Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
* tom poe (tompoe@renonevada.net) [020412 12:20]:
Well, then change the charters. Tell the UK list to change theirs to "technical" english issues surrounding schools. And make ours all other issues, and we'll be coordinated. <grin>
I don't have a lot of control over what goes on there because the I'm not the owner of the list. The only time I've had any contact with it is to explain why replies go to the sender and not the list, things like that.
In the meantime, I would appreciate some opinions on whether this site has value to the apps side of our proposed demo we're looking for [I'm looking for]: http://sal.kachinatech.com/
That's one of the best sites for finding free math and science software--I don't think they much in the way of "educational" software but you could add, say, octave (a replacement for matlab), R (replacement for S-Plus), etc. to the demo and instantly replace about $2000 worth of software. -- -ckm
Maybe we can send an invitation to those English users and a copy of our charter when I get available sometime this evening or in the morning. I plan on targeting the follwoing: 1. Educators around the World. 2. Educational Developers (Interested of Course in developing applications) 3. Implementation of Linux in the classroom. 4. Practical Application of Linux in the Classroom (Activities) 5. No Tech support for Linux or SuSe. 6. Educational Desktop Developers (KDE, Ximian, Gnome) Need Feedback on more specifics and covering the Bases! On Friday 12 April 2002 01:30 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* tom poe (tompoe@renonevada.net) [020412 12:20]:
Well, then change the charters. Tell the UK list to change theirs to "technical" english issues surrounding schools. And make ours all other issues, and we'll be coordinated. <grin>
I don't have a lot of control over what goes on there because the I'm not the owner of the list. The only time I've had any contact with it is to explain why replies go to the sender and not the list, things like that.
In the meantime, I would appreciate some opinions on whether this site has value to the apps side of our proposed demo we're looking for [I'm looking for]: http://sal.kachinatech.com/
That's one of the best sites for finding free math and science software--I don't think they much in the way of "educational" software but you could add, say, octave (a replacement for matlab), R (replacement for S-Plus), etc. to the demo and instantly replace about $2000 worth of software.
On Friday 12 April 2002 12:47, Lance Lane wrote: > Maybe we can send an invitation to those English users and a copy of our > charter when I get available sometime this evening or in the morning. I > plan on targeting the follwoing: > > 1. Educators around the World. > 2. Educational Developers (Interested of Course in developing applications) > 3. Implementation of Linux in the classroom. > 4. Practical Application of Linux in the Classroom (Activities) > 5. No Tech support for Linux or SuSe. > 6. Educational Desktop Developers (KDE, Ximian, Gnome) > > Need Feedback on more specifics and covering the Bases! - - -snip - - - Hi: What is this? A manifesto?All of the above are good targets. I suggest rephrasing the negative one, the one about no tech support SuSE or Linux. How about redirecting to the users groups for tech-related questions? Of course, all questions are welcome, right? Tech questions invariably have an end-user description with them, and those would be most helpful to the rest of the list. For example, "I can't get my computers to ping each other." This calls for a description of what setup is being used in what classrooms in how many buildings. That part of it we should encourage, as it lets visualization of what others are doing be shared. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
These were only ideas for a target audience. I think server questions and implementation Ideas would come under "Implementing Linux in the classroom." Questions like, "How do I get Linux to recognize my Modem?" , would fall under technical support. These are two different brands of questions. Of course I would expect that the charter would be posted on the SuSe site? And would have directions to point people toward technical support? Lance On Friday 12 April 2002 02:24 pm, tom poe wrote:
On Friday 12 April 2002 12:47, Lance Lane wrote:
Maybe we can send an invitation to those English users and a copy of our charter when I get available sometime this evening or in the morning. I plan on targeting the follwoing:
1. Educators around the World. 2. Educational Developers (Interested of Course in developing applications) 3. Implementation of Linux in the classroom. 4. Practical Application of Linux in the Classroom (Activities) 5. No Tech support for Linux or SuSe. 6. Educational Desktop Developers (KDE, Ximian, Gnome)
Need Feedback on more specifics and covering the Bases!
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Hi: What is this? A manifesto? <grin>
All of the above are good targets. I suggest rephrasing the negative one, the one about no tech support SuSE or Linux. How about redirecting to the users groups for tech-related questions? Of course, all questions are welcome, right? Tech questions invariably have an end-user description with them, and those would be most helpful to the rest of the list. For example, "I can't get my computers to ping each other." This calls for a description of what setup is being used in what classrooms in how many buildings. That part of it we should encourage, as it lets visualization of what others are doing be shared. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 16:21]:
Of course I would expect that the charter would be posted on the SuSe site? And would have directions to point people toward technical support?
Well, it's basically sent in the subscription information which probably isn't read by most. It's also available by sending a mail to listname-info@suse.com (in this case, suse-schools-usa-info@suse.com). Likewise, the faq, help, owner are all reachable this way. The list index on www.suse.com just has very brief descriptions of the lists because of space constraints. -- -ckm
I guess then I need to ask the question: What was the "original intent" of SuSe when the group was established? Is it for regular classroom teachers, school system administrators, or Computer teachers? Or, all of the above. Do we discuss using Linux in the classroom for help with curriculum development, hooking up servers, or the political aspect of bridging the digital divide with a less costly, better operating system (IMHO!)? Or all? On Friday 12 April 2002 05:27 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 16:21]:
Of course I would expect that the charter would be posted on the SuSe site? And would have directions to point people toward technical support?
Well, it's basically sent in the subscription information which probably isn't read by most. It's also available by sending a mail to listname-info@suse.com (in this case, suse-schools-usa-info@suse.com). Likewise, the faq, help, owner are all reachable this way.
The list index on www.suse.com just has very brief descriptions of the lists because of space constraints.
On Friday 12 April 2002 12:30, Christopher Mahmood wrote: - - - snip - - -
That's one of the best sites for finding free math and science software--I don't think they much in the way of "educational" software but you could add, say, octave (a replacement for matlab), R (replacement for S-Plus), etc. to the demo and instantly replace about $2000 worth of software.
Hi: WOW! What a nice way to start the weekend. You know, I'm totally convinced that with the right demo, this thing explodes [schools using linux]. For example, Blender [although not supported, last I heard] is one of those applications where a student or two will help the others, and absolutely marvelous stuff comes out. And, for example, students can pickup one of the GUI packages, and the sky's the limit from that moment on. Some students can contribute content [history, English, geography, etc.], and others can enter the info, and projects leading to apps for other schools are born. But, they can't do anything, if the computer isn't there. Forget network access, if that's a problem. Just give them access to the computers, I say. The rest takes care of itself. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
What's wrong with just a schools-e list? it would be nice to see some cross-culture going on... My 2 cents. Alex Heizer Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 11:09]:
However, I think we should take a vote on a very important issue as an educator:
Educators like to exchange ideas. So shouldn't we make this a LANGUAGE specific list instead of Country specific.
Yes, that's how the rest of our lists are with the exception of the schools-uk list. They wanted something specific to the UK. The USA part wasn't my idea and I think can be safely ignored (but again, that's for you to decide).
EX: suse-schools-english@suse.com
Other intrested people that speak different languages can follow suit.
EX: suse-schools-spanish@suse.com
Because:
1. We can certainly exchange information and ideas with teachers from GB, Australia and other English speaking countries.
2. We need to format the group to fit the exchange of ideas as educators.
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
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-ckm
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On Friday 12 April 2002 18:39, Alex wrote:
What's wrong with just a schools-e list? it would be nice to see some cross-culture going on...
My 2 cents.
Alex Heizer
Hi, Alex: Further along in the thread, Mahmood reports that the uk list is all filled up with technical issues, and he wants this list to handle all the other issues related to schools. Besides, we're already cross-cultural to the tune of dozens of countries on the list already, lurking, waiting, ready to pounce at yours and my foolishness. <grin> Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV 89502 http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
* Alex (alex@synchcorp.com) [020412 18:39]:
What's wrong with just a schools-e list? it would be nice to see some cross-culture going on...
I agree, I didn't choose the name but can change it later on if it becomes a problem. ( The same person also decided that suse-announce-e (just a general announcement list about releases, etc.) should become suse-announce-usa and that I should move all of the European addresses to language-specific announcement lists. So far I haven't had any angry Candians (who all speak English BTW) complain about being moved to the -usa list ;) ) -- -ckm
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:41:30 -0700
"Christopher Mahmood"
( The same person also decided that suse-announce-e (just a general announcement list about releases, etc.) should become suse-announce-usa and that I should move all of the European addresses to language-specific announcement lists. So far I haven't had any angry Candians (who all speak English BTW) complain about being moved to the -usa list ;) ) ============================================ I can hear the angry Quebecois now ;o) There must be *some* Canadian resentment at frequently being identified as (US) /Americans/ Sorry....; too [OT]
Mike -- "The greatest thing you will ever learn is just to love... ...and be loved in return." --Nature Boy
AGREED.......I can learn from ANYONE, even people i'm philosophically opposed to....Keith Alex wrote:
What's wrong with just a schools-e list? it would be nice to see some cross-culture going on...
My 2 cents.
Alex Heizer
Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 11:09]:
However, I think we should take a vote on a very important issue as an educator:
Educators like to exchange ideas. So shouldn't we make this a LANGUAGE specific list instead of Country specific.
Yes, that's how the rest of our lists are with the exception of the schools-uk list. They wanted something specific to the UK. The USA part wasn't my idea and I think can be safely ignored (but again, that's for you to decide).
EX: suse-schools-english@suse.com
Other intrested people that speak different languages can follow suit.
EX: suse-schools-spanish@suse.com
Because:
1. We can certainly exchange information and ideas with teachers from GB, Australia and other English speaking countries.
2. We need to format the group to fit the exchange of ideas as educators.
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
--
-ckm
-- To unsubscribe, email: suse-schools-usa-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, email: suse-schools-usa-help@suse.com For help, email: suse-schools-usa-owner@suse.com
How does one subscribe to the various schools list? On the website I only see suse-schools-usa listed among the mailing lists. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place? Eddie On Friday 12 April 2002 7:14 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 11:09]:
However, I think we should take a vote on a very important issue as an educator:
Educators like to exchange ideas. So shouldn't we make this a LANGUAGE specific list instead of Country specific.
Yes, that's how the rest of our lists are with the exception of the schools-uk list. They wanted something specific to the UK. The USA part wasn't my idea and I think can be safely ignored (but again, that's for you to decide).
EX: suse-schools-english@suse.com
Other intrested people that speak different languages can follow suit.
EX: suse-schools-spanish@suse.com
Because:
1. We can certainly exchange information and ideas with teachers from GB, Australia and other English speaking countries.
2. We need to format the group to fit the exchange of ideas as educators.
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
Sorry folks. I must be still asleep. Please ignore my previous mailing. Eddie On Monday 15 April 2002 12:20 pm, Eddie Howson wrote:
How does one subscribe to the various schools list? On the website I only see suse-schools-usa listed among the mailing lists. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place?
Eddie
On Friday 12 April 2002 7:14 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* Lance Lane (ldlane@citlink.net) [020412 11:09]:
However, I think we should take a vote on a very important issue as an educator:
Educators like to exchange ideas. So shouldn't we make this a LANGUAGE specific list instead of Country specific.
Yes, that's how the rest of our lists are with the exception of the schools-uk list. They wanted something specific to the UK. The USA part wasn't my idea and I think can be safely ignored (but again, that's for you to decide).
EX: suse-schools-english@suse.com
Other intrested people that speak different languages can follow suit.
EX: suse-schools-spanish@suse.com
Because:
1. We can certainly exchange information and ideas with teachers from GB, Australia and other English speaking countries.
2. We need to format the group to fit the exchange of ideas as educators.
Let's see how this goes and we can always make new language-specific lists in the future. If people really don't like the '-usa' part we can change it to '-e'.
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