I have an important question. If I told you that LTSP5 was not going to be adopted in either openSUSE or SLE's thin client server (which only supports those 500$ type thin clients with flash drives, like those from Wyse and HP), would this influence your decisions about using Novell products? Would you be less inclined to buy an SLE based agreement if your thin client interests were only being met by Ubuntu? Would you simply say well I need a Linux server and I already have the Ubuntu server disk and I know how to use it so....? I'm being told that Novell can't find a fiduciary reason to support LTSP and I keep saying that giving us this feature means that, we can and probably will use an SLE server to host the applications we want to go with it, we can and probably will use e-Directory to manage our user ID's, but if we have to support multiple technologies (Ubuntu and SLE) we will probably shift to the one that cost us less at the desktop (both monetarily and intellectually) simply because supporting the desktop translates into learning to support the server very easily. Reminiscent of the shift to MS servers from Novell servers, in my opinion Novell lost the school server battle simply because schools don't have the time \money to learn\support two OSes. For how many of us is the History teacher who is good with windows XP, the guy who helps us maintain the 2003 server in that building? Is there really no money in supporting LTSP and Education specific products? If your answer is, "I don't really care about LTSP and it won't effect my decisions about my Novell purchases" then ignore me, but if the answer is "I rely on LTSP to help me put more desktops in the classroom and I really would prefer to have it managed with my other Novell products", then I must inform you that the likelihood of you being able to use LTSP5 with Novell products is slim, there are two of us working on integrating the bits and both of us are non-coders, we are merely translating some batch scripts that we can understand and borrowing the best parts of KIWI( a new Novell imaging technology) to make most of it work, which leaves: local device support, network sound, a descent disk-less boot process and much more undone and likely never to be done. Please respond to this list thread and any Novell employee you know, if you want this to change. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket,NH http://en.opensuse.org/Education "let's make a difference" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org