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[opensuse-edu] Easy-LTSP bugfix, package update
by Jan Weber 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Hi, the bug that prevented easy-ltsp from starting is fixed. The packages in the repo [1] are updated and again ready for testing. A tarball is also available for download [2]. The kiwi module got a new look (screenshot on my blog[3]) and the kiwi localapp variable was added. Thanks to mhutch the GLib.ExceptionManager is now taking care of all unhandled exceptions and a first undo/redo implementation based on the saved state is in easy-ltsp. So please go and check it out! You can report bugs in devzilla bugtracker [4]. As always every feedback or comment is welcome! Cheers Jan [1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/ [2] http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.5_080815.tar.bz2 [3] http://www.luckylemon.de/?p=34 [4] http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] help with foss in schools case studies
by jpd 18 Aug '08

18 Aug '08

hit a bit of a road block with our roll out of suse for education. We need to have a strong and valid argument from some where else to show that other are actually using it. I would like close to complete studies, with as many "big names" so it can't be just dismissed. Also does any one know what can cause broken packet to cause a network to collapse? Apparently it's us, but all I have got is suse 11 box just installed with patches? Anything would be helpfully, like the stuff going on in Spain schools etc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Beta 2 for openSUSE 11.0 is ready for testing
by Lars Vogdt 18 Aug '08

18 Aug '08

Hi http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/repo/1.0/11.0/ and http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/ISOs/openSUSE-Education-1.0-for-… are ready for testing! Luckily, I've neither tested the online repository nor the ISO image as I'm on vacation right now... :-) But http://bugs.opensuse-education.org/ is ready for your reports... Known Bugs: - Koha: missing dependencies. I'm currently working to get 3.0 install like a charm :-) - easy-ltsp: Beta2 contains easy-ltsp-0.5_080812 instead of the newer version. So if someone likes to test it, please download the current version from the buildservice. Needed tests: - Is the root-Partition increased (10GB) if you add the Add on during the first installation? (BTW: Do we really need a /home-Partition here?) - Is it possible to install the ISO in an installed system? - all applications ok? - is the openSUSE-Education update repo added successfully during installation ? Have a lot of fun! Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-edu] Re: [Kiwi-ltsp-users] Easy-LTSP Packages available!]
by jpd 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

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[opensuse-edu] Results Education Meeting 2008-08-12
by Lars Vogdt 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Hi Community! Here's the summary of the IRC Meeting from Tuesday. The full transcript can be found here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Meetings/Education_Meeting_2008-08-12/tran… 1) Old action items No news from Andreas, James, Jens-Daniel and Jordi. (not present at this time) News from cyberorg: a) The LTSP Team has released the first "working" easy-ltsp packages for openSUSE and Fedora (see http://www.luckylemon.de/?p=32) . b) LTSP5 now comes with real local application support, so schools that require resource heavy apps can now off load them to the client. c) LTSP wiki pages are completely revamped - have a look at http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP ! d) Now also USB images and a Live-CDs are available, so Clients without PXE-Networkcards are able to boot LTSP! News from anubisg1: a) Mr. Carugo from "DIDASCA Youniversity" (http://www.didascauniversity.it/) is giving us the chance to use an openSUSE dedicated server to use the "Didasca Webinar" for our meetings. Should be tested and documented during the next days. b) Packages: a lot of packages for 11.0 are fixed now. So we are nearly ready for the next release Left to fix: gnome-chemicals-utils would be downgraded in the next days, netbeans has some wrong path entries for Ruby binaries and the update to Koha 3.0 needs some additional work. c) The official online repository has some dependencies issues, which can be fixed by copying some additional packages from the openSUSE-FTP repository - so users just starting with the openSUSE- and the Education-DVD get no missing dependencies. News from Lars: a) Gambas packaging is done and already announced (and used) in the german user forums. b) Additional information about "how to create the Edu add on" is available in the openSUSE wiki (http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development) and the used scripts are available for everyone in the SVN. News from The_Code: a) Will be participating in the openSUSE Hackweek (http://news.opensuse.org/2008/08/07/announcing-hack-week-iii/) in Nuernberg. b) Jan is interested to work on the planned YaST2-Education module - mail to jdsn about the current status is out. 2) Status of the wiki pages a) No doubts against the "Education Packaging Policy" (http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development#Education_Packaging_Policy) - so this policy is now implemented. The main target of this policy is to get as close as possible to the current openSUSE packages. So all Education packages are "ready for integration" if the decision about a big "contrib" community repository is done. b) The Development page contains a simple changelog script, which is also available in the tools directory in SVN (called "vc" there). Just edit the "email" variable, and next time you only have to call "vc *.spec" in your package directory to get a valid changelog entry. c) The template for application descriptions is updated with the new "age categories". People writing new application descriptions should use this template for educational applications: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Wiki#Template_for_Application_descriptions SLEducator will overhaul the wiki pages in the next weeks. d) looks like the Software template has some problems with lists in special cases (see http://en.opensuse.org/Avogadro , "developers" for example). Needs to be investigated. 3) Status of the next Edu-DVD a) FYI: http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/test/11.0/ contains the "behind the released" repository - which might be inconsistent but the next official repository. b) anubisg1 will do the dependency testing which should just cover the openSUSE-DVD + openSUSE-Education-Repo cases (only thing allowed is the Update-Repository as additional repository). So teachers who like to install the Education Add-on in their schools without internet access can install all packages. c) The test repo shows a problem in the current sync scripts: moodle is avaible in 1.9.1 and 1.9.2 - looks like the version compare is sometimes buggy. Needs to be fixed in the next version. d) anubisg1 has updated the Roadmap: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development/Edu-CD/Roadmap which needs the following two new entries: Aug 17: Beta2 Release for 11.0 Sep 07: RC1 for 11.0 Deadline for packages: 2 days bevore the release - so it's always Friday 4) Q&A Section a) anubisg1 announced the CIA-56 bot in the #opensuse-edu channel on freenode, which report subversion checkins. b) anubisg1 also announced ldd2rpm - available in the SVN - which allows packagers to find fast BuildRequires of binaries and libs. c) We should clean up the wishlist (http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Education) more regularly. Last cleanup was done by anubisg1 in the last days. The wishlist should be added as general topic to the meeting agenda. d) AlbertoP informs us, that openfoam (a very advanced simulation code for fluid dynamics ) is a nice application for education - but currently the developers are moving to ubuntu and in general are not at all open in their development. He think it's worth to wait and see what they do before investing time on packaging their apps for openSUSE Education. After nearly 2 hours, we decided to end the official meeting - unless the discussion goes on the whole day... ;-) With kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Re: ltsp still not working as advertised.....
by CyberOrg 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:57 PM, john-paul drawneek <jpd(a)drawneek.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Aug-14 10:20:54 <3> : Scheme validation failed failed > Aug-14 10:20:54 <3> : Invalid sequence in interleave > Invalid sequence in interleave > Element image failed to validate content > Your kiwi packages are not up to date, refresh and update kiwi from openSUSE:Tools repo. > > > Yep real plug and play this stuff..... Use prebuilt image to get real plug and play. Please check out http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] Re: [Kiwi-ltsp-users] Easy-LTSP Packages available!
by Jan Weber 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

Hi, i am sorry for that, but could you please give me a little bit more details about what it said. Could you give the stacktrace if it appeared? This information is definetly not enough for me to get something fixed! An error like this hasn't happened before, so i would be glad to get more details about the issue! Cheers Jan >I gave it a quick go, and all it did was spew it guts up. > >mono segfault - sorry for the lack of detail, last thing i did before >going out the door. > >openSuSE 11 - fresh install + patches > > >Jan Weber wrote: >> Hi, >> >> sorry forgot the repo link: >> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/ >> >> Cheers >> >> Jan >> >> Jan Weber wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> we now have packages of Easy-LTSP available in the Buildservice Repo [1] >>> There are packages for openSUSE (10.3 and 11.0) and for Fedora9. >>> Please give them a try and report your feedback. >>> Also have a look at http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP 1-click install >>> is available for openSUSE there. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kiwi-ltsp-users mailing list >>> Kiwi-ltsp-users(a)forge.novell.com >>> http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/kiwi-ltsp-users >>> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Easy-LTSP Packages available!
by Jan Weber 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

Hi, we now have packages of Easy-LTSP available in the Buildservice Repo [1] There are packages for openSUSE (10.3 and 11.0) and for Fedora9. Please give them a try and report your feedback. Also have a look at http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP 1-click install is available for openSUSE there. Cheers Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns?
by Jordi Massaguer 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

There is a YaST module that lets you select an additional pattern. I can not remember the name now but I am sure it exists as we, in the linkat project, wrote our own and, when we finished, realized that YaST guys have done the same at the same time, and of course better. The yast module was just presenting you with some options with descriptions and icons, and depending on the user selection, some extra patterns were added. Then, each pattern was writing to disc a control.xml file so on firstboot you will get different workflows. Would that be useful? jordi massaguer i pla http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/ openSUSE member Novell Certified Linux Professional 10 ----- Mensaje original ---- > De: Lars Vogdt <lrupp(a)suse.de> > Para: opensuse-edu(a)opensuse.org > CC: James Tremblay <jamesat(a)comcast.net> > Enviado: viernes, 8 de agosto, 2008 12:08:21 > Asunto: Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns? > > On Freitag 08 August 2008 00:06:44 James Tremblay wrote: > > >> Now we need to create a real product. > > > > > > I thought we have it for 10.2 and 10.3 already? ;-) > > > > well we have a really great repository and it's portable too, but the > > Extis server is a real product ;) > > Well, you can pay the openSUSE-Education Team for releasing the add on > if you like... :-) > > > > how about a web page that asks what language you want , then another > > in that language? > > should be possible. Please provide a template. > > > > > > Hm. If we create an insallable media (which means: remaster the > > > original openSUSE DVD), we can add autoyast profiles in the first > > > boot step, so a user will get > > > Boot from Harddisc > > > Manual Installation > > > Install Kids desktop > > > Install Youth desktop > > > Install Edu Desktop > > > Install Server > > > > > > The help [F1] would give a better description. > > > > WOW, I though that would be way to much work and not show the power > > of "ADD-ON" technology. > > You're right: thats a bit away from the "Add-on" technology - but > already possible. :-) > > > > but ok! > > and the server could be the EXTIS server plus my three favorite apps! > > openSIS, Moodle, openbiblio YA? :) > > If you can persuade Peter Grill from the EXTIS Team to release the > OSS-Apps under GPL.... > > > > OK, I would do the TUX series and gcompris for the lower "kids" more > > according to what the teachers like. color shape word and hand to > > eye stuff are very important at that age group. > > done in the patterns: > Suggested (not installed per default, but shown): > anagramarama > childsplay > childsplay_plugins > childsplay_plugins_lfc > enigma > littlewizard > MultiplicationStation > plutimikation > pysycache > pysycache-cartoon > pysycache-photographies > pysycache-themes-click > pysycache-themes-move > python-visual > > Recommended (normally installed but can be deselected): > gcompris > tuxmath > tuxpaint > tuxtype > > Lars > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org ______________________________________________ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns?
by Jordi Massaguer 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

I'll be very happy to help you. However, I do not have a lot of time. How much help do you think you need? I mean, how urgent is that? You just want some tips and directions or want me to do some yast modules for you? jordi massaguer i pla http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/ openSUSE member Novell Certified Linux Professional 10 ----- Mensaje original ---- > De: James Tremblay <jamesat(a)comcast.net> > Para: Jordi Massaguer <jordimassaguerpla(a)yahoo.es> > CC: Lars Vogdt <lrupp(a)suse.de>; opensuse-edu(a)opensuse.org > Enviado: miércoles, 6 de agosto, 2008 23:52:26 > Asunto: Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns? > > Jordi Massaguer wrote: > > Just a hint. If you want to create YaST modules that appear during the > installation when selecting the opensuse edu you can "easily" do that by: > > > > 1- Write ycp module (obvious :) ) > > 2- make an rpm from that is installed on the system (quite obvious too :) ) > > 3- modify the control.xml on the installed system (not so obvious, but that is > the trick :) ) > > > > The control.xml file on the installed system contains the workflow of the > modules you want to run on firstboot, so you could modify that before the first > boot and then your modules will be called. > > > > I am not sure which is the better way to modify this file, or if the addon > yast module does that for you. Actually, that might be the best way, by making > the addon yast module do that if it does not already. If you do that, send the > patch to the yast people so they integrate it for you at the next versions. > > > > hope it helps > > > > jordi massaguer i pla > > http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/ > > openSUSE member > > Novell Certified Linux Professional 10 > > > > > > > > ----- Mensaje original ---- > > > >> De: James Tremblay > >> Para: Lars Vogdt > >> CC: opensuse-edu(a)opensuse.org > >> Enviado: miércoles, 6 de agosto, 2008 5:28:02 > >> Asunto: Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns? > >> > >> Lars Vogdt wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all > >>> > >>> Refering to: > >>> http://www.opensuse-education.org/mantis/view.php?id=70 > >>> > >>> it looks like we've too many packages which are installed per default if > >>> a user adds the openSUSE-Education Add on (repository or DVD is the > >>> same). > >>> > >>> I like to give a short explanation about the current structure and > >>> the "magic" behind the patterns. > >>> -----------------------------------[edu-pattern] > >>> We currently have the following entry in the content file of the > >>> repository: > >>> RECOMMENDS pattern:education-full > >>> ^^^ this line adds the pattern file with the same name into the software > >>> proposal of YaST. > >>> > >>> you can find that pattern in the directory suse/setup/descr/ in the > >>> repository (with 11.0 the format changes and all pattern files are > >>> pasted together to one gzip'ed pattern file, so have a look at the 10.2 > >>> or 10.3 pattern to get the example: > >>> > >>> > >> > http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/repo/1.0/10.2/suse/setup/descr/e… > >> > >>> You can see: this pattern file _Req_uires the x11 pattern and > >>> _Rec_ommends three edu-patterns: > >>> education-desktop > >>> kids-education-desktop > >>> youth-education-desktop > >>> > >>> Now an overview about the current patterns: > >>> 1) education-desktop > >>> => Software which can be used in educational enviroments on client site. > >>> - kiosktool > >>> - sabayon > >>> - italc > >>> ^^^ generic packages which makes the live of an administrator or teacher > >>> easier in schools. > >>> > >>> 2) kids-education-desktop > >>> => Software for small kids (4-10 years) which can be used in educational > >>> enviroments on client site. > >>> - gcompris > >>> - childsplay > >>> - pysycache > >>> - ... > >>> ^^^ "real" packages for the kids > >>> > >>> 3) youth-education-desktop > >>> => Software for youths (11-14 years) which can be used in educational > >>> enviroments on client site. > >>> - LabPlot > >>> - audacity > >>> - bluefish > >>> - ... > >>> ^^^ "real" packages for older children > >>> > >>> We also have two patterns for server applications right now: > >>> - edu-server > >>> - kiwi-ltsp > >>> ^^^ those patterns are NOT selected by default. People who try to setup > >>> a server have to select them manually. > >>> > >>> All pattern files are created as normal RPM packages and are "developed" > >>> using Subversion and a simple directory and file structure. So neither > >>> adding packages nor translating the descriptions is a big deal. > >>> > >>> Some examples and information can be found here: > >>> > http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development#The_development_of_pattern_fil… > >>> > >>> -----------------------------------[/edu-pattern] > >>> > >>> So I want to ask for help! > >>> > >>> * Please provide some new proposals how we can split the current > >>> patterns into smaller parts. > >>> * Which patterns and packages should be installed per default? > >>> * Which packages should be suggested ? > >>> > >>> With kind regards, > >>> Lars > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Lars and the Team, > >> It is great that we are able to "build" so much software for the > >> Education repository. Great work and Thanks to all of you! Now we need > >> to create a real product. I had always thought that we could add > >> questions to the YaST installer to make the "add-on" more useful to > >> school IT people and parents. I would like to suggest that we separate > >> the repository into "folders" that represent the install > >> environments|patterns and age groups already defined (see above) then if > >> it's possible "inject" questions into the existing YaST module or create > >> a new YaST installer for the add-on DVD to install these groups. I'm > >> thinking that putting the DVD into an already running system could > >> "autorun" a web page that contains "One-Click" YMP's and the pattern > >> descriptions. (could this module also figure out which desktop is used > >> and exclude KDE only packages on a Gnome machine or vice versa?) . When > >> installing the OS on a machine, choosing the ADD-ON media and inserting > >> the disk would add a few extra questions to the YaST installer that are > >> the same choices as the YMP's in the autorun. > >> example- > >> Thanks for choosing the openSUSE Education ADD-On! > >> Do you want to build an : > >> education-server > >> y or n > >> kids-education-desktop designed for children ages 4-10 > >> y or n > >> youth-education-desktop designed for children ages 11-14 > >> y or n > >> secondary education-desktop designed for ages 15 - adult > >> y or n > >> Do you want classroom management tools? > >> y or n > >> > >> I believe that the desktop\classroom management tools such as italc > >> should be offered as an individual choice. I don't think it's necessary > >> for us subdivide the groups beyond basic age and desktop. > >> > >> Do we need to create a wiki page that includes a spreadsheet\table that > >> allows us to separate the packeages? example > >> title, gnome, kde, 4-10, 11-14, 15-adult. > >> tuxpaint,yes, , yes, , > >> then we can know for sure which packages to include in each group. > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org > >> > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. > > > > > Jordi, > Thank you for the suggestions. Do you know of someone who could lead us > in this direction? > I am just learning some PHP and PostgreSQL (and loosing hair doing it) > and have no experience with ycp and my rpm skills are non-existant. > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org ______________________________________________ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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