May 2004 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by G.Harris 20 May '04

20 May '04

> To everyone, thank you for your comments so far, they're been very > helpful. > > How many of you think it would be a good idea to get SuSE to setup a web > site where useful information on deploying and using Linux for both home > users and organisations is provided, thus making it easier to work with > this > stuff? Been hoping for that for some time. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by Matt Johnson 18 May '04

18 May '04

> > This technique failed to work with StarOffice - > certainly it didn't work > here, we had to do client installs. Not too much of > an issue, but a > nuisance. If it works with OpenOffice (and we > haven't moved yet, will do > soon), that will be very helpful. What version? I assume SO6? How strange. I'm thinking if there was anything else I did to get it working... 1. A "net" install to a world readable folder (server) 2. Ran the setup *from* that world readable folder as a user. During this install I installed to the user's home directory > MyWork > AppData (yes, it's RM 2.4 for those who recognise "MyWork"). It shouldn't make any difference as long as it's somewhere sensible in their home directory. Mandatory profiles could possibly hose this up (?) - this would need to checked as the OO user folder would be part of the user profile? Hmmm. 3. Used OO.o as that user to make sure all was well. Could setup up settings you want to roll out at this point I reckon. 4. Copied the sversion.ini file from the home directory too. This needs to be copied into all users. Found this file in AppData here. Copied to everyone's AppData. 5. Copied the OO.o user directory from the user I setup with to all users (in my case - just all users in Year 5 - but that's because I teach a year 5 class and wanted to see what happened first!). We've been using draw for 3 weeks and all's well. Very well. It's flippin' brilliant. We do get an occasional message regarding simultaneous use of the user files. This is odd because each user has their own copy. It appears to make no difference whatsoever, and I've only seen the message twice in three weeks across 84 users. > > The size of the folder to be copied is also an > important factor. > Yes - was very important here too. Still is important as we haven't put it across 600 users. The manual claims more needed than seems to be actually used. It's less than 2mb per user here. Allow for just over 3mb in the manual if my memory serves. ***But the convenience of not having to install on any clients is a dream come true.*** The kids in Year 5 can use it on any computer. I just dropped an shortcut to the .exe located in *their AppData folder* onto the Year 5 desktop. Maybe this is an important point? They run it from their folder. I would stress these are W98 clients. XP problems were mentioned earlier on this list. I've not had time to experiment... Hope this helps. -- Matt ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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Squid Problems!
by Rob Keeling 17 May '04

17 May '04

I am having two problems with squid, I thought I had set things correctly, but it appears not! We use EMBC as our isp, so all non local traffic must pass through proxy.embc.org.uk, with local traffic not being routed externally. I have tried to do this with the config below, but with two problems. Local domain traffic is still routed to proxy.embc.org.uk We keep getting Dead parent cache errors, with all internet access blocked (as we don`t allow direct connections), this lasts for a minute or so and then clears. I have tried increasing the parent cache timeouts with no sucess. The question is what am I doing wrong? I have attached my full squid config, I am sure someone will spot the bloomer! Thanks for any advice. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School /etc/squid/squid.conf http_port 81 icp_port 0 cache_peer proxy.embc.org.uk parent 80 0 no-query default connect-timeout=300 cache_peer 213.249.157.48 parent 80 0 no-query connect-timeout=300 acl alld dst 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl localip dst 10.4.172.0/255.255.253.0 acl localdns dstdomain .queenelizabeths.derbyshire.sch.uk acl localhostd dst 127.0.0.1 never_direct allow alld always_direct allow localip localdns localhostd dead_peer_timeout 300 seconds acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? no_cache deny QUERY peer_connect_timeout 300 seconds acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl manager proto cache_object acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 acl SSL_ports port 443 563 acl Safe_ports port 80 # http acl Safe_ports port 21 # ftp acl Safe_ports port 443 563 # https, snews acl Safe_ports port 70 # gopher acl Safe_ports port 210 # wais acl Safe_ports port 1025-65535 # unregistered ports acl Safe_ports port 280 # http-mgmt acl Safe_ports port 488 # gss-http acl Safe_ports port 591 # filemaker acl Safe_ports port 777 # multiling http acl CONNECT method CONNECT http_access allow manager localhost http_access deny manager http_access deny !Safe_ports http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports http_access allow localhost http_access allow all icp_access allow all httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on append_domain .queenelizabeths.derbyshire.sch.uk -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. - Douglas Adams

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid Problems!
by Thomas Adam 17 May '04

17 May '04

--- Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Rob Keeling <rob(a)rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > We keep getting Dead parent cache errors, with all internet access > > blocked (as we don`t allow direct connections), > > this lasts for a minute or so and then clears. I have tried increasing > > the parent cache timeouts with no sucess. > > > > The question is what am I doing wrong? > > You did not attach the error message. My powers of telepathy are weak at > the best of time, but guessing games I cannot play. > > Dead Parent cache can mean anything, since it relates to a number of > issues. I suspect though that it might be the result of a protcol and/or > a > firewall issue, assuming you have one. Hmm, seems half my message was truncated. I did go on to say.... If you use a "cache_peer", which becomes unreachable, then you'll get that error message, Rob. Normally though, this can happen when the parent becomes overloaded. If this is the case then you'll need a second parent. If the parent you're using does not use ICP, then you *will* need to set the "no-query" option for the cache_peer. As to why you get your error every minute is to do with the way squid tries to reactivate the proxy. There is a timeout of one minute hard-coded in the source which cannot be optionally changed unless you change the source. -- Thomas Adam ===== "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net "<shrug> We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] MIS
by Grainge, Derek 17 May '04

17 May '04

>Personally, I strongly dislike SIMS, but what things >make it "development software"? > & the quarterly 'patches' which turn out to be fairly major upgrades. The early worms are giving it the bird it seems. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Ben Higginbottom 17 May '04

17 May '04

>There's also Xray for physics type things. I am not so sure about >biology, though. Theres also a few other toys, such as for drawing feynmann diagrams but most scientific programs are highly specialised or ridiculosly powerful, such as MatLab that Octave cant even be compared to. >At least the frequency has been turned down. :) Well the list has been quiet :) Regards, Ben

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Take up?
by Phil Thane 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello, I've been monitoring the SuSE schools linux discussions for about a year. Some of the group know TechSoft, Ed Lea and Chris Puttick tested our (Windows) Design Tools software under WINE last year, very successfully. At present we don't produce a Linux version, but I'm keeping an eye on progress of Linux in schools in case we have to revise our position. Does anyone know how many schools use Linux? And what they use it for, ie admin or curriculum or both, and exclusively or in a mixed environment? (Talking of mixed environments, I use SuSE at home, but run Win 98 under Netraverse's Win4Lin for the other half who is wedded to her MS Apps. They do a network version, does anyone use that in schools? ) What is the general feeling about non-gpl software for Linux? Our software is written in C++ and as I understand it, not being a programmer, it could be re-compiled (with some effort) but we're never going to be giving it away. Our business model is we sell software (and CNC machines) then provide free tech support, sometimes for decades. Changing to free software and expensive support would seriously upset our established customers. School budgets being the strange things they are you could almost guarantee that when something goes wrong, or new, in-experienced staff arrive and need help, there is nothing in the 'support' budget. Our way means that once the budget has been approved and the software and kit bought, that's it. It may be old-fashioned but it works for us, and seems to suit our customers. Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager TechSoft UK Ltd. Falcon House Royal Welch Avenue Bodelwyddan Denbighshire LL18 5TY UK Phone (+44) (0) 1745 535007 Fax (+44) (0) 1745 535008 Email phil(a)techsoftuk.co.uk Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager TechSoft UK Ltd. Falcon House Royal Welch Avenue Bodelwyddan Denbighshire LL18 5TY UK Phone (+44) (0) 1745 535007 Fax (+44) (0) 1745 535008 Email phil(a)techsoftuk.co.uk

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Crocodile Clips
by Joanna Harris 17 May '04

17 May '04

Does anyone know of an alternative to crocodile clips, have looked everywhere even on the old posts on the SuSe mailing list to no avail. Many Thanks Jo

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Chris Puttick 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hi Jo Welcome out of "lurk" mode! Both information about Crocodile Clips and for info about using open source solutions in schools can be found at SchoolForge UK: http://schoolforge.org.uk (do join and help where you can) Crocodile Clips is not easy to replace in schools as it is very specialised, so instead it has been tested (and is used in Linux schools) on the Wine (http://winehq.org) application layer and found to work pretty much perfectly. Let us know what else the list can help with! Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Joanna Harris [mailto:jo@sharrad.co.uk] Sent: Wed 5/12/2004 7:13 PM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Cc: Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips Does anyone know of an alternative to crocodile clips, have looked everywhere even on the old posts on the SuSe mailing list to no avail. Many Thanks Jo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] LEAs and FLOSS
by Richard Smedley 14 May '04

14 May '04

Robert J Gautier wrote: > > We have put FLOSS-based servers in for Ceredigion, Worcestershire and > Suffolk. I will try to get you some names of people to speak to, but > in the meantime you might be able to find someone simply by asking for > the respective IT departments. Thanks Bob, Shall we take this off-list? And thanks to Richard R - see you at AFFSAC tomorrow. Cheers, - Richard

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