December 2003 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Help setting up SUSE box on school ne twork please!!!
by Ben Higginbottom 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Putty Wrote: >And indeed Samba (3) should be the way to go, probably with the help of >LinNeighborhood (which is part of the SuSE dist). You can get latest >Samba 3 RPMs for SuSE from a SuSE ftp mirror. Just to jump in here and scream TEST rpms at the top of my voice, and a reminder that sane people that wish to remain that way should not install them on production servers. 3.0.1rc1 was released on thursday however, which includes many bugfixes especially for point to print (*glares at chris*). Konqueror also has an intergrated smb browser, which would make it more familiar for your students to navigate the network. LinNeighborhood, in addition to its annoying american spelling, does things in a more *nix way. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Help setting up SUSE box on school network please!!!
by Chris Puttick 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

And indeed Samba (3) should be the way to go, probably with the help of LinNeighborhood (which is part of the SuSE dist). You can get latest Samba 3 RPMs for SuSE from a SuSE ftp mirror. Chris -----Original Message----- From: MJ Ray [mailto:mjr@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: 07 December 2003 23:36 To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)lists.suse.com Cc: ict(a)canonpalmer.com Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Help setting up SUSE box on school network please!!! On 2003-12-05 23:02:05 +0000 ICT Support Officer <ict(a)canonpalmer.com> wrote: > Can anyone reply to the following message please with full info.... A question was asked of a mailing list. If you're very lucky, someone will have done it already and have time to explain it to you for free. If you're lucky, someone will point you in the right direction, with the name of a software package, a key fact like "AD is basically a bodged LDAP" or a URL to a HOWTO like http://jaxen.ratisle.net/~jj/nss_ldap-AD_Integration_how-to.html If you're not lucky or can't figure it out from the pointers, then you'll have to pay an expert (internal or external) to explain or implement it for you. Chastising the list seems unreasonable to me. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] That naughty mr gates & Becta!
by MJ Ray 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On 2003-12-06 00:19:13 +0000 Paul Taylor <ptaylor(a)uklinux.net> wrote: > [...] The people that benefit from back-handers in government circles > and > "pork belly legislation" (to borrow from the yanks) are the same > people that > own and therefore dictate the editorials of newspapers. There's also the problem that many journalists see current copyright system as an essential tool to get money for their work. If the far more restrictive practices of software copyright licensing gets overturned, they fear that similar questions will be asked of their "media empires." After all, if every Jack could duplicate their newspaper or magazine, their circulation would fall and they'd not get paid, would they? Of course, there are some brave ones who have realised that publications are at least as much about the service of publishing and distributing. > and saw first hand the menal immisseration of people by the media in > order to > keep a docile and ill-informed (therefore innactive) public. We are > now > fast-tracking that way. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ may be worth a read to get you thinking, although please be careful about the bits where "it's all the fault of too much government/they copy the soviet methods/ktp" -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Turning Japanese - lessons in patience
by Paul Taylor 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Hi all: People on this list will know that periodically over the years with this site I have posted a question as to how to get Japanese on Linux. I started using Linux at the same time as I met my now Japanese wife and in that time I have waxed lyrical about how good it is and she has wanted to join in but I have never been able to get SuSE to allow her to type in Japanese to her friends and family back home. In all this time I have had to keep a doze box in my house in order for her to use IME which works perfectly. I have continued to try and search and have managed to get a beautifully displayed Japanese desktop over the years but as soon as she types it would be in English again. Earlier today I was reading through the comprehensive document from Mike Fabian which shows all manner of working examples of Japanese input on an English SuSE system. I tried all of the examples as best I could but still had nothing to show. Another search got me to Charles Muller's site based on Mandrake (http://www.acmuller.net/linux/japanese_ime.html. I post it here because another poster some time ago also has a Japanese wife and was asking the same question). In 3 easy steps I had complete Japanese typing functionality in Kmail, Mozilla, et al. The key here seems to be using localdrake which is obviously their own implementation. Question is, how can I (can I?) do this with SuSE as easily? Paul

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] suse 9 and Dell laptop
by francis stanbridge 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

There is always the time consuming (last resort?) get out.. 1 re-install 8.x that you had working 2 copy the working XF86Config file 3 re-install 9.0 and re-use the XF86Config file 4 hapinness or misery depending on the result of 3 I find watching install screens very relaxing zzzzzzzzzzzzz. regards Francis Francis Stanbridge Community College Bishop's Castle Shropshire SY9 5AY tel: 01588 638257 fax: 01588 630034

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suse 9 and Dell laptop
by lists＠yewlands.com 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Evening all I'm having a problem getting the graphics working on a dell latitude cpx laptop. I had the laptop setup as 1024x768 display no problems with suse 8 but since I tried to install 9 today as a fresh install, except /home, no matter what setting I try I cannot get the display right using sax2. Whatever I set it to the screen goes blank then gradually gets filled with white. I've tried install about 3 or 4 times now and I don't know what to try next. Nny help would be appreciated. Cheers Matt

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Research Machines Connect 3
by Grainge, Derek 06 Dec '03

06 Dec '03

> Talking recently to our accounts manager with RM, he said that Connect 3 will > only run with Windows machines and there is a danger in connecting either an It's certainly the case with previous versions of connect or its antecedents, RM heavily customised the MS network software - because they wanted, inter alia, to provide menus on screen before booting from the network. They particularly customised the network boot prom, and a few windows DLLs. At one time I was told that I'd have to pay a premium to allow a non-RM *windows* PC to use an RM network, and without the appropriate network card, my Elonex and Dell machines couldn't log in. Many thoughts went through my mind. A fee for the customised code? A way of making non-RM machines more expensive than RM's own kit? There may have been legitimate reasons, but at the time I was unclear what they might be and rapidly lost interest in their system. This was a long time ago. I'm sure it's not like that now. > Apple or a Linux machine to the network "because of the DNS server running > under Windows". This seems total clap-trap to me, and a ploy to ensure > no-one infects their network with some inappropriate, but superior, OS. A DNS is a DNS is a DNS. Unless they modified that as well? > What he *might* mean is that it is possible for a samba > server to cause an NT server to sulk. True. Just make a mistake and make your Samba machine the pdc for an NT domain which already has one. What an expert salesman! But surely the RM salesman would know we aren't that incompetent ? The bottom line: if you use a proprietary product, which RM connect might or might not be, then 'standard' products are unlikely to behave they way they do elsewhere. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] That naughty mr gates & Becta!
by Paul Taylor 06 Dec '03

06 Dec '03

I think Ian has a key point in that in that we now have an acceptance that £80 for an Ofiice Suite and £50 for an OS is the norm. When I talk to my SMT about using open source software they pay m lip service but I can see they have no concept of what it is I am talking about. When I talk to me technicians and network manager, who have little or no real influence on the decisions of the system, they get very excited. To support my take on the debate so far (sorry TA but this is inately tied in to SuSE for schools), the decisions makers don't have a cluse about the technical issues and long-term implications of proprietary software. They make decisions based on comfort. That is what I know, that is what we have had, that is what we will have. I'm with Ian. If my forebears did not go on strike and cut up rough about the system that was, I would not have been able to go to school and improve my lot (they fought for a reduced week which I have yet to see :)) I can think of no other walk of life where we are so cmpacent as individuals. My students think it is quite "amusing" that they have to reboot Doze periodically. Leaving aside the issue we have discussed before that few of them have a legal copy of the software, they would be outraged if their mobile phones cut out mid conversation or if they were charged for extra services added to their phone without their consent. When our computer does not work we are told that the next version, which "only" costs £50 will make it work, we accept it as no big deal. It is I feel a very powerful layer of marketing and social acceptance that will be difficult, though not impossible, to overcome. Paul

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Research Machines Connect 3
by Michael Turnbull 06 Dec '03

06 Dec '03

I'm a new member to submitting to the list, but I've been reading the mail for some time. I now have a query which someone may be able to help me with. Our school runs a Research Machines Connect 3 network, using Windows XP on the desktop. As a dedicated Linux user I have, in my office, an old machine running Suse 8.1 (too lazy to upgrade!) which I can set up to access the network easily using Samba, and can access our broadband connection through the proxy server. What more would I want to do! Talking recently to our accounts manager with RM, he said that Connect 3 will only run with Windows machines and there is a danger in connecting either an Apple or a Linux machine to the network "because of the DNS server running under Windows". This seems total clap-trap to me, and a ploy to ensure no-one infects their network with some inappropriate, but superior, OS. Any comments? Am I being blind to some obvious problems I might have caused? Thanks Mike Turnbull St Mary's School, Shaftesbury,

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Research Machines Connect 3
by ICT Support Officer 06 Dec '03

06 Dec '03

If you had access to the DNS server dlls and opened them up in an Hex Editor you would find embedded a copyright notice referring to the Trustees of the University of Southern California, Berkeley. It goes on the say that MS DNS is based on Bind from the BSD Unix distro. Another eye opener is Internet Explorer. IE is basically a Windows port of NCSA Mosaic. That is why MS have to give away IE for free. The Internet as been around longer than Microsoft, therefore MS have play by the rules. I would hate to think would the Internet would be like had it been a MS invention. For one thing I bet it would work for more than 2 or 3 days at a time and for another thing it would probably cost a small fortune for anybody to license the technology. Instead of freeserve we would have "pay-the-earth-serve". There would be no e-commerce because the Internet would have more security holes in than a culendar. The net is the most secure medium in the world be imagine what it would be like if MS had a hand in its development > > Any comments? Am I being blind to some obvious problems I might have > caused? > > Thanks > > Mike Turnbull > > St Mary's School, Shaftesbury, If what you say is true and I am sure it is, then the world must be made aware of this issue. The more I hear things like this about MS the more I hate it and its products. Regards M Gural

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