November 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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8.1 offer for schools and new address
by Roger Whittaker 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

The educational price which we've had in the past still applies to 8.1 The text that I always send out to enquiries about this is below: £39 + £5 shipping for SuSE Professional (current version: 8.1) This is the full product including all manuals and 90 days installation support. One copy per institution/department. To order, I need an official school order number - you will be invoiced later. Note our change of address ... All the best Roger -- +-------------------------------------------------+ | IMPORTANT NOTE: | | | | We are moving offices on 25th October 2002. | | | | We shall not be available on that day by phone, | | fax or email. | | | | Our new address will be: | | | | SuSE Linux Ltd | | Appleton House | | 139 King Street | | Hammersmith | | W6 9JG | | | | Tel: 020 8846 3918 | +-------------------------------------------------+ Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ------------------ 020 8387 1482 ------------------ roger(a)suse.co.uk ------------------

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education Conference
by james.spedding＠rdiu.anglia.ac.uk 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Chris, Provisional times: start : 8:45 - 9:00 finish : 16:00 - 16:30 It is possible to arrange fairly reasonably priced overnight accommodation (for 40 people) in the conference centre at Danbury (where the conference may be the next day) for approx £35 per night B&B if it is booked through us. Like I said - if there are things I can help with just let me know. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Puttick [mailto:chris@centralmanclc.com] > Sent: 29 November 2002 11:10 > To: 'james.spedding(a)rdiu.anglia.ac.uk ' > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education > Conference > > > Guess we'll have to fly then... Have you got a provisional > start/end time so > we can book appropriate flights? > > -----Original Message----- > From: james.spedding(a)rdiu.anglia.ac.uk > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Sent: 11/29/02 11:01 AM > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education > Conference > > Hi Chris, > > I can confirm that the location is booked - there are 2 venue's which > have > been arranged (the one mentioned and one very near the train > station in > Chelmsford itself). Which one we use is dependant on the volume of > interest. > I'm sorry if it is difficult to get to but we are using University > buildings > to keep the cost down (as we will only be charging delegates what it > costs > us to put on the day) and to ensure the quality and reliability of > services > and internet connectivity. > > I know there is a very active collection of OS users in the North West > and > it is not our intention to alienate anyone but we are > restricted to our > locale for the first conference. It is our hope (if this one is a > success > and there is demand) to organise one elsewhere in the country > at a later > date. > > We are trying to be as accommodating as possible so if there > is anything > we > can do to make sure more people come we will (short of > re-arranging the > venues ;)). We can co-ordinate car sharing if required and we have > access to > university transport to ferry people back and forth from > train stations > or > Stansted Airport (which is only 20 miles from us). > > I hope this is of some help, > > James > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Puttick [mailto:chris@centralmanclc.com] > > Sent: 28 November 2002 13:57 > > To: James Spedding > > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education > > Conference > > > > > > Hi James > > > > We would be very interested in attending but Chelmsford is > enormously > > difficult to get to from the NorthWest - is this location booked and > > confirmed? > > > > Regards > > > > Chris Puttick > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education Conference
by james.spedding＠rdiu.anglia.ac.uk 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi Chris, I can confirm that the location is booked - there are 2 venue's which have been arranged (the one mentioned and one very near the train station in Chelmsford itself). Which one we use is dependant on the volume of interest. I'm sorry if it is difficult to get to but we are using University buildings to keep the cost down (as we will only be charging delegates what it costs us to put on the day) and to ensure the quality and reliability of services and internet connectivity. I know there is a very active collection of OS users in the North West and it is not our intention to alienate anyone but we are restricted to our locale for the first conference. It is our hope (if this one is a success and there is demand) to organise one elsewhere in the country at a later date. We are trying to be as accommodating as possible so if there is anything we can do to make sure more people come we will (short of re-arranging the venues ;)). We can co-ordinate car sharing if required and we have access to university transport to ferry people back and forth from train stations or Stansted Airport (which is only 20 miles from us). I hope this is of some help, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Puttick [mailto:chris@centralmanclc.com] > Sent: 28 November 2002 13:57 > To: James Spedding > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Open Source in Education > Conference > > > Hi James > > We would be very interested in attending but Chelmsford is enormously > difficult to get to from the NorthWest - is this location booked and > confirmed? > > Regards > > Chris Puttick

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] No Mail
by JOHN LOW 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

My old subscription was on an account which was popped from a remote mailbox. My new address is on our own mail server so all mail uses the smtp protocol. Sorry if it was poor shorthand. John Low At 18:34 26/11/02 -0000, you wrote: >Not sure what u mean by this SMTP is for sending mail and pop is for >recieving mail. Two different protocols. > >Paul > >> Just a thought, but I recently changed from popping mail to smtp-ing it. >I >> was unsubscribed automatically and without warning because my mail server >> refused to accept a probe message. >> >> Also couldn't understand why I received no messages until I looked closely >> at the server logs. >> >> But perhaps we're all just too busy! >> >> John Low >> >> >> > This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not represent those of St Mary's Hall.

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Open Source in Education Conference
by james.spedding＠rdiu.anglia.ac.uk 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

I thought that you all may be interested in a conference we are organising. Feel free to forward this on. Find the details of the conference below. First an introduction for those who don't know.... My name is James Spedding and I work for Anglia Polytechnic University. I would like to invite you to a National Conference which will explore the use of Open Source software in the UK Primary and Secondary Education Sectors. It will run on the 4th April 2003 and the cost is expected to be under £50. Delegates from all elements of the educational community are be invited to attend this one day conference to be held at Danbury Park Conference Centre, nr Chelmsford in Essex. Speakers already include Professor Stephen Heppell of Ultralab (http://www.ultralab.ac.uk/people/stephen_heppell/), Diana Laurillard of the DfES, Theo Wright of BECTA, Roger Whittaker of SuSE UK, Malcolm Herbert of Redhat and Christopher Dawkins - network manager of Felsted School (http://www.felsted.org/curriculum/ict/network.htm). The focus of the day will be three-fold: to raise awareness of open source as an alternative solution to evaluate its suitability for use in education and, to examine and learn from the implementation of open source in educational settings The intention is to have keynote speakers in the early morning and afternoon followed by smaller seminar type groups discussing the practical implications of using open source and its various configurations. If you are interested in attending or have any ideas you want to share please contact me via email or on (01245) 226930 A major thread of the conference will be experienced-based presentations of Open Source implementations. At present I am still looking for one or two more speakers to do a 20 minute presentation about how they chose, implemented and are using (both the pro's and con's) open source solutions - from back end servers to desktop roll-outs. If any of you might be interested in this please contact me off list. This is not just a conference for those 'in the know'. As much as possible I want to open this out to a broader spectrum of the educational market. Hopefully we can change a few ideas about what OS is and what it can do! I look forward to hearing from you, James Spedding

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No Mail
by JOHN LOW 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Just a thought, but I recently changed from popping mail to smtp-ing it. I was unsubscribed automatically and without warning because my mail server refused to accept a probe message. Also couldn't understand why I received no messages until I looked closely at the server logs. But perhaps we're all just too busy! John Low This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not represent those of St Mary's Hall.

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Just Pinging the Server
by Bruce Miller 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Things seem eerily quiet. The buzz of communications has suddenly stopped, and for a whole week. At least it has at this end, for me. (?) Not that I have nothing to say and want to just the break the silence, rather just checking that the mechanics for the forum messages is still functioning. Hopefully, I should see my message ping back to me in a couple of minutes. If it does then I will assume all is well and that everybody has got their heads down working at don't want to be disturbed. Excuse the intrusion, if this is the case. Bruce.

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job vacancies torbay council (education services)
by psutton 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

thought the following would be of interest to the group, the second post sounds a great opportunity for someone who has experience with Linux in schools and really sees the potential future (as well as financial) benefits, really make a difference. IT Technician http://www.firstopforjobs.devon.gov.uk/firstop/torbay/education_services/ft1 5862.html KS3 ICT CONSULTANT http://www.firstopforjobs.devon.gov.uk/firstop/torbay/education_services/ft1 5866.html Sounds like for the right candidate could push for more use of Linux or at least open source in schools.

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OpenOffice.org + MySQL
by Bruce Miller 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Thanks Paul. I assume that your 'checks' are what led to me getting an e-mail from 'Pebble Rock'. http://pebblerocklimited.users.btopenworld.com/sun.htm £23 less 17.5% even ! <snip> We are still having some setting up problems with StarOffice6.0 ie. where to put templates, galleries and config files but I'm becoming happier with it as an MSOffice replacement at KS3 and 4. <snip> David, I have an almost glitch-free install put together for OO.o to run over NT/win98, as part of my phased replacement programme. Don't know what OS you are using but if I can give any pointers from what I can remember of my July installation, let me know. I still have one problem left, that of the 'sversion.ini' not holding properly. This still needs fixing, otherwise it seems fine. When the summer holidays arrived, I thought that Sun would be releasing a neat network release for schools before long and I would put that on instead. Obviously, from what you say, the 'distro neato' hasn't appeared. Bruce. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Taylor [mailto:ptaylor@uklinux.net] Sent: 11 November 2002 22:47 To: Bruce Miller Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OpenOffice.org + MySQL > > We also registered for the £25 school site licence scheme and are still > awaiting reply for this too. Educational wheels turn very slowly. I expect > other people are in the same boat. But maybe not? I think that you just need to buy the "media pack" and register and that is it but I will check for you. Paul

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