I Like the idea - and maybe the metaphor police could even build their own
> From: Damian Counsell <linux(a)counsell.com>
> To: suse-linux-uk-schools <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com>
> Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] UK govt seeks to embrace open source
> Date: 16 December 2001 13:24
> Bruce Miller wrote:
> The interesting part of this story about the government "embracing*"
> open source is that, once again, the beancounters have provided the
> motivation for any hint of change in a typically prehistoric British
> organization. (Never mind that open source fits perfectly with New
> Labour's professed "communitarian values"---sometimes they can't even do
> ideology properly...)
> "Yes, the "UK Government will seek to avoid lock-in to proprietary
> IT products and services", but the bottom line here is... well...
> the bottom line. The increased used of open source solutions will
> come about because they're cheaper than closed source software."
> I predict the following. First the cave-dwellers of Whitehall will use
> open source as a big stick with which to beat the 800lb gorilla (M$) in
> order to get a cheaper corporate desktop. Then they will pause between
> bouts of licence-wrangling to examine the stick more closely and realise
> they could actually make quite a nice desktop of their own with the same
> piece of wood.
> Now you guys can call the metaphor police.
> *Hey, "embracing"---is H.M. Govt. licensing even its vocabulary from M$
> Damian COUNSELL http://www.counsell.com/
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Derek raised some very important points in his posting re: DMCA and its
effects. I noticed that you (Derek) are a Software Developer, and you stated
in your posting that you would be very annoyed about someone using your
"ideas" and grabbing some of your market share from the use of such ideas
(perhaps in the form of a similar program etc). This is where I get very
confused. You see- for a long time I have listened to copyright protectors
declaring to consumers that they need to copyright their software so that
all benefit. Funny, I don't see any benefit from keeping back what amounts
to "ideas" and "information" and making it "mine"--unless of course you pay
the monies for me to give you a license to look at them/use them.
Ideas simply should not be copyrighted or patented. Information should be a
free vehicle for the expansion and progression of freedom and the human race
full stop; exploiting a consumers power to spend by tying up your "ideas" in
a package is fine, and some may think this is reasonable, but when you then
say that that same information is yours alone and cannot be "copied" neither
in word nor deed--that's dangerous. If this was how early scientific leaders
dealt with their findings and research results, we would all be living in
extreme conditions. Information, in its raw form, should be entirely open.
That same information should be exploitable by all and for all. To patent
schemes or information or applications is wrong and antithetical to sharing
and furtherance of society and even business.
I know I may get flamed heavily for this stance, but the reason I got into
free software is because of the above arguments. Being tied into a
proprietary tag, paying their price, and yet owning nothing of the product
really annoys me! Being told that my ideas when transmitted over an open
standards based networking medium (the Internet) become the property of an
intellectual property owner and cease to be my ideas and information annoys
me; when consumers don't have the power of choice and then are told that
they neither have choice nor the right to look at the code that powers their
machines--that annoys me. When programmers pretend that their money comes
from software sales based on spurious mathematics on how much development
time and therefore product value inherently survives because of that--that
gets my back up. When programmers declare their programs and information
"theirs" and not to be copied or used without royalty fees--that annoys me.
That's just me though.
The DMCA is purely a money making scheme (it would seem to me). The problem
with the web at this time is that too many people see it as a source of
revenue and not enough people see it a s free flow of information and ideas
that could benefit all--communications serving people and not just business.
Business users of the web are mostly to blaim for wanting more patents and
more proprietary technology: "I'll have my slice of the web and you have
yours; you'll pay to see mine and I'll pay to see yours.Either way we make
lots of cash from consumers who will need to see both sets of information".
For me, the fear is that the DMCA will further alienate the non-programmer
and consumer and therefore lead to dumb PC users who can only use what nanny
says they can, and only if they have a proper licensed software product.
Linux is something that challenges all this trash. They don't like it for
that! Linux users generally care about the free, open, flow of information
and that's what the DMCA wants to deter.
Again- these are just my opinons on the topic. I may be wrong. You may
disagree with me. That's fine. What I'm sure we all want though is to
maintain that free, open flow of information. That source code you hold in
your hands, found on your Linux disks, stands for the most powerful things
that man has ever accomplished- freedom and choice, sharing, and openness.
Aren't these to be more protected than some programmer's small income from
PS: I am not saying that programmers should not get paid ;-) I am saying
that the monies they make from software sales ("bits" as Eric Raymond calls
them) is very small compared to money they make from in-house programming
and other related tasks. Software sales could generally be stopped tomorrow
and hardly any programmers would lose from it--that's not where they earn
from (unless you program for M$). Just thought I'd clarify that!
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 08:11:46PM -0000, Paul Sutton wrote:
> Like visio, innovated then MS took them over, what would microsoft do if
> other companies could not innovate for them,
> And MS they say that the Open source community can't innovate as fast as
Like most of their pronouncements it's complete garbage. All the
major innovations have come from academia where collabaration is a
central tenet of the scientific discipline.
To name just one: the WWW - courtesy of CERN.
Academia has always been `open source' and that's where most of all
future innovations will come from too.
As a company they have not innovated one significant thing except the
construction & subsequent use & abuse of a monopoly.
Not one thing! With all their money....pitiful.... & an indication that
they're too bloody idle to innovate. After all, why do they have to
innovate? The money is still streaming in.
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I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am trying to install xine.
xine-lib has installed without any problem, but then when trying to install
xine-ui I get the following error:
checking for ptrdiff_t... yes
checking for xine-config... /usr/local/bin/xine-config
checking for XINE-LIB version >= 0.9.4... no
*** Could not run XINE test program, checking why...
*** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
*** that the run-time linker is not finding XINE or finding the wrong
*** version of XINE. If it is not finding XINE, you'll need to set your
*** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point
*** to the installed location Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if that
*** is required on your system
*** If you have an old version installed, it is best to remove it, although
*** you may also be able to get things to work by modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH
configure: error: *** You should install xine-lib first ***
Now /usr/local/bin/xine-config does exist .. so I don't know why I can't
compile xine-ui .. can anyone advise? Many thanks
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I am trying to set up a DHCP server running.
My /etc/dhcpd.conf file reads as follows:
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
option routers 192.168.0.15;
#define local network
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
range 192.168.0.50 192.168.0.254;
#make sure the router gets a fixed address
hardware ethernet 00:02:E3:18:1A:8E;
dhcpd starts ok - but no host is issued with an IP address (I can now ping
into and out of the server).
I don't have any routing tables or a DNS set up - would this have an effect?
I don't see how I can translate names to addresses when the adresses are
All the domains are set to 'localhost' - although we do have a FQDN
(estfeld.doncaster.sch.uk) it is administered by an ISP and I understand if I
include this in the domain name - trouble will ensue!
Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
Have upgraded from 7.0 to 7.3 (suse)
Fanastic. KDE2 is really impressive. Sadly it takes a performance it when
used as multi user to PC stations running Xservers....but still impressive.
Never had my Btv484 card running - an MM100PCTV card - which is listed as
Did not set it up initially - but went back to Yast2 later.
Could not find moTV documented in SUSE manual - but xawtv is there - along
with a program called kwintv which is not documented (in SUSE multimedia-video
Used KwinTV and ran the tuner wizard - and it found 7 programs.
Nothing on the screen. But - I can capture stills which appear to be Black and
To have it so nearly working is maddening. Is this likely to be my aging S3
graphics card - does it need a good 3D card? Or am I still missing some configuration?
Where do I go to seek help/advice?
Oh - and the teletext works fantastically - caching pages for really fast access -
I'm really impressed with that.
Now if only I could see the picture...
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I am setting up an old Pentium with a 1GB drive as a print server. I've
installed Suse 7.2 but I had to use minimal install (graphics) and add in
those bits I though were relevant - KDEbase, cups, inet, samba, telnet
server, ftpd, various yast bits.
I can ping in and out and I've started inetd after checking inetd.conf was
set to start telnet and ftp. Used ps aux to check that inetd is running.
But - telnet and ftp both refuse to work when accessing from another
I need tips on what to look for?