January 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

SQL
by Royal Latin School 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I'm sure I missed the point somewhere in the arguements, but doesn't the 'S' in SQL stand for Structured? Robb Bloomfield, RLS Network Administrator

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I have a Squid issue...
by Azrael Angel Of Death 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Could anyone advise me on the following problem. I have this in my squid.conf acl schoolhours time MTWHFA 08:30-18:00 acl lessons time MTWHFA 09:00-11:10 acl lessons2 time MTWHFA 11:30-13:00 acl lessons3 time MTWHF 14:00-15:30 acl badURL url_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/badwords.ban" acl banned dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/domains.ban" acl bannedip dst "/usr/local/squid/etc/ips.ban" acl email dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/email.ban" acl files urlpath_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/files.ban" http_access deny all banned http_access deny all bannedip #http_access deny all badURL #http_access deny all files #http_access deny all email http_access deny all email schoolhours #http_access deny all email lessons #http_access deny all email lessons2 #http_access deny all email lessons3 http_access allow all And things work fine. But when I un-comment the badURL and files http_access lines I suddenly get problems on various other sites. eg search.yahoo.com to which I attribute the problem to be the search parameters including ? and other weird characters. Another problem is the msn page (after logging out of hotmail) if you hit the hotmail link it takes you to a page of: http://msn.co.uk/redir.asp?STARTID=TAB_HOTMAIL&URL=http://www.hotmail.com that seems to hit the filter :/ But these should be unrelated to the 'badURL' and 'files'. badURL (badwords.ban) = ^http://*xxx* ^http://*eggs* ^http://*sausages* ^http://*bacon* ^http://*education* (we don't like breakfast of learning at this place.. honest) files (files.ban) = \.exe$ \.zip$ \.com$ \.mp3$ \.wav$ Now.. to the questions. Is there something wrong with the definitions in the fiules and the definition of the file contents in the acl declaration? Why am I seeing problems on other pages?? Many thanks --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Ofset
by Roger Whittaker 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Don't worry - I didn't say OFSTED. http://www.ofset.org/freeduc/ - a list of educational software ... I haven't looked at any of them yet, but people might be interested. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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BETT comments
by Derek Harding 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi, What did I think of BETT? The only open-source was SuSE (thanks Roger) and TurboLinux that I found although I understand I might have missed a stand. Texas Instruments are looking actively at producing a version of their TIinteractive for Linux and IBM via-voice is available in Ameringlish and in the US. They were good enough to share a corner with SuSE so I suppose we can say they support the concept! So where was Applix even if it does only seem to spell in Ameriglish; the only Corel Office was for 'doze, virtually nothing was web-based and many stands said, "the government don't specify it and none of the schools are asking for it." So, how about making a point of enquiring loudly if the stands are supporting open-source (they often haven't got a clue!) when some piece of useful software catches your eye? Becta was encouraging in their support for multi-platform approaches but Capita (SIMS/EMS) 1) didn't know what I was talking about and then 2) when someone did they don't expect to make any changes. I want to develop an entirely open-source learning environment to demonstrate to the school that we can lose MS products for a great deal of the curriculum, particularly business studies and CDT - any suggestions of good software and, especially, any replacements for SIMS which have at least as much functionality? -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Re: OS "SIMS" development
by Derek Harding 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

This follows someone else's response but I've lost the original so I've lost the thread. Not unusual for a hectic Spring Term! > Nobody wants to use a locally developed solution because they don't >understand it > No Support. > The 'If you've developed it and you leave we're cream-krackered' worry. Absolutely spot on with that observation - I'm getting exactly the same as soon as I say "Linux Workstation" They're happy about servers and networks (which can be as in-house as I like) but not what they press the keys on. > > The problems are not related to the inability of the software or the > programmers to carry out the task but to a percieved lack of support - > while I can operate quite happily from this list not many others can. > Usually teachers don't want to know anything about systems other than > Microsoft (though I'm changing that with Linux and Mac OS!) - I had one > hell of a job convincing our staff to use Lotus Smartsuite rather than > MS Office despite Lotus' advantages! > Again, I agree about the change of software. I had an IT teacher say, "It would be brilliant to run Linux, Publisher wouldn't keep crashing." !*#! > If we want to develop a SIMS/Key Solutions 'look alike' I'm happy to > throw my lot into the fray with any other interested parties BUT we will > need to overcome the above perceived problems AND should spend some time > asking School Admin Staff what they want from such a system (as they are > the ones who usually end up managing the software anyway!). There I meet less opposition, probably because SIMS is so poor. The look-alike is important, though, because of learning curves and confidence. One of the problems will be using the DRS OMR machines because DRS have no plans to release the comms language ("We're not ready for open source yet," they said at BETT). Postgres has more kudos as being "real" while mysql is seen as being "shareware". > If we're going to do this though, let's operate to some sort of agreed > standard for describing the database and other software associated with > it - I try(???) to work to SSADM V4 but don't always succeed/ Here, here too. I must admit I've largely given up trying 'cos I never get the time! -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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RM web sites (was: BETT comments)
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

> Though you might like to check out what Netcraft has to say about > www.rmplc.co.uk Although this redirects you through to www.eduweb.co.uk which is IIS/NT ... and appears to use .asp quite a bit. www.rm.com is Linux though. Kevin.

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Squid don't 2
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

A number might help? 01722-323431 Cheers, Paul Taylor

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Squid again
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Thanks all: It is pretty much as Mark said that without knowing more detail it is impossible to help and I appreciate any input that was forthcoming. I think the e-mail was rather a hands in the air frsutration sort of thing. Squid has been working well for over 6 months and I managed to set it up and keep it rolling along, but whatever problem has happened has left me at the edge of my linux experience with nothing left. I have checked all files and tried everything I know (admitedly small) to no avail. I will percevere but I can see people being put off. Since schools seem to find endless money for computers and yet I can't find enough for a set of books for my year 10 GNVQ, I wonder if the £250 license for Win Proxy et al is not more of an option. At present, I am the only person in the school with an inkling of an understanding of Linux and when I am teaching, which like everyone is 3 dillion hours, problems with the Linux proxy get amplified. I am puzzled as to why a re-installation did not solve the problem though? Mark's mention of the named.conf file seems useful as that is one I overlooked. IF I get another chance I'll try that out. It was a bit of a sickener to see the Win Proxy fire straight up and I had (have) the added humiliation of using it to send this. Fear not, I will win...lin? Paul

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Squid don't fail me now
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Hi All: My squid proxy has gone south on me and nothing seems to bring it back. I even went to the extreme of re-installing SuSE7 (while saving the squid.conf file) and it still will not work. I have tried to log on (we are using dialnet as the parent) but it times out waiting for confirmation. I have messed about with the hosts and resolve files and get messages that I am not authorised to access the parent cache etc. If anyone could call me and help me out it would be much appreciated. Paul Ps This is now running through a 30 day Win Proxy software on NT so if I can't get it to work it will be the end for Linux.....

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Linux User Magazine (fwd)
by Roger Whittaker 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com From: Ruediger Berlich <rb(a)suse.co.uk> Cc: trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk Subject: Linux User Magazine Trevor Parsons (trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk) from the UK Linux User Magazine is interested in a case study about a UK school running Linux. I would like to invite you to contact him directly, if you would like to report about the usage of Linux in your schools. Everybody : have a good day ! Kind Regards, Ruediger Berlich Managing Director -- SuSE Linux Ltd. rb(a)suse.co.uk The Kinetic Centre http://www.suse.co.uk Theobald Street Tel: +44 (0)20 8387 4088 Borehamwood, WD6 4PJ UK Fax: +44 (0)20 8387 4010

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