On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:32:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Pavol Rusnak writes:

Thanks for the notes. How should we continue this discussion? I really like to see momentum come back into the Contrib repository...

Btw. I think this should go as well to the contrib mailing list...

I'm not sure that Contrib ML with almost zero activity is the best place for discussion yet. As I see, the biggest problem with Contrib is simple. There's nobody who really works on it. In the beginning it was Michal Marek who was really active, but nowadays he changed his position and is busy the activity stopped. Maybe Pascal Bleser can do that or somebody of Interested peoples listed in [1] or someone completely new. I don't believe that Contrib can works without someone who will be really interested. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib Best Regards Michal Vyskocil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Hi, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Michal Vyskocil writes:

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On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:32:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

As I see, the biggest problem with Contrib is simple. There's nobody who really works on it. In the beginning it was Michal Marek who was really active, but nowadays he changed his position and is busy the activity stopped.

Maybe Pascal Bleser can do that or somebody of Interested peoples listed in [1] or someone completely new. I don't believe that Contrib can works without someone who will be really interested.

So, how can we change this?

Problem: There is work to be done Solution: Someone needs to work on it Apparently no one has any real interest in doing it. Otherwise someone would step up. There really is no need to iterate over the same point over and over and over again. Every repo lives and dies with its packagers. There is no one interested in packaging for Contrib. Everybody says its a good idea and that somebody should do it but apparently nobody does. Or to give it a bit more positive spin: If you want to work on Contrib and make this repo alive then get in contact with Pascal or Coolo who are the current maintainers of this project and package for it. Everything else we can figure out later. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Le lundi 08 décembre 2008, à 14:27 +0100, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :

Problem: There is work to be done Solution: Someone needs to work on it

Apparently no one has any real interest in doing it. Otherwise someone would step up.

This is really not as simple as this. I do have interest in it, but no time to push for it, for example. I would also guess that some people are interested in Contrib, but just don't know how to make it happen (or don't feel they are empowered to do this). Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Problem: There is work to be done Solution: Someone needs to work on it

Apparently no one has any real interest in doing it. Otherwise someone would step up.

I've submitted a couple of packages, but I was still under the impression that the whole thing was not yet fully formalised. I have a bunch of packages waiting for submission. I'm not entirely clear on what's left to do. Is there a problem with the current workflow, or should I just start submitting the packages? -- James Oakley jfunk@funktronics.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 04:01:30PM +0100, Vladimir Nadvornik wrote:

On po 8. prosince 2008, James Oakley wrote:

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Problem: There is work to be done Solution: Someone needs to work on it

Apparently no one has any real interest in doing it. Otherwise someone would step up.

I've submitted a couple of packages, but I was still under the impression that the whole thing was not yet fully formalised. I have a bunch of packages waiting for submission.

I'm not entirely clear on what's left to do. Is there a problem with the current workflow, or should I just start submitting the packages?

According to the wiki page, the only open issues are security fixes and updates. Marcus, could you please look at

http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib and http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-11/msg00410.html

and comment on it?

First, you should perhaps just start doing stuff there and see how it works out.... Second, How long do you want this to live, and for what products? Do you want to freeze the code for a specific release? If say you want 11.1 and FACTORY supported, then you need subprojects for the 11.1 and FACTORY and can then apply backported security fixes / bugfixes to 11.1 and new versions to the FACTORY sub-project. If you just want to run parallel to FACTORY, then just update versions as they come, and there is no need to maintenance and security (since you do not exist for old products). Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On po 8. prosince 2008, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Michal Vyskocil writes:

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On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:32:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

As I see, the biggest problem with Contrib is simple. There's nobody who really works on it. In the beginning it was Michal Marek who was really active, but nowadays he changed his position and is busy the activity stopped.

Maybe Pascal Bleser can do that or somebody of Interested peoples listed in [1] or someone completely new. I don't believe that Contrib can works without someone who will be really interested.

So, how can we change this?

Problem: There is work to be done Solution: Someone needs to work on it

Apparently no one has any real interest in doing it. Otherwise someone would step up.

There really is no need to iterate over the same point over and over and over again. Every repo lives and dies with its packagers. There is no one interested in packaging for Contrib. Everybody says its a good idea and that somebody should do it but apparently nobody does.

The originally proposed idea - move selected packages from factory to contrib - should help with this problem. It won't bring any really new packages (at least in the beginning), but it can improve the Contrib importance and visibility and help to establish the processes. Vladimir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer writes:

Vladimir Nadvornik schrieb:

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There really is no need to iterate over the same point over and over and over again. Every repo lives and dies with its packagers. There is no one interested in packaging for Contrib. Everybody says its a good idea and that somebody should do it but apparently nobody does.

The originally proposed idea - move selected packages from factory to contrib - should help with this problem. It won't bring any really new packages (at least in the beginning), but it can improve the Contrib importance and visibility and help to establish the processes.

How about going through the list of dropped packages since 10.3 or 11.0? Probably there are candidates (I know there is at least one I really want to see in Contrib) before dropping even more from Factory ;-)

I suggest: Just start with some - e.g. 10 random - packages and get CONTRIB rolling. We can easily add more but we need to start, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Monday 08 of December 2008 15:50:15 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

I suggest: Just start with some - e.g. 10 random - packages and get CONTRIB rolling. We can easily add more but we need to start,

We can start with prepared packages for it: https://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all?projectsearch=Contrib

Andreas

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