On Monday 28 April 2008 12:21:33 wrote Pavol Rusnak:

Stefan Dirsch wrote:

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Well, the basic idea was to offer packaged games sorted by genre for users who don't know their favorite Linux games yet (but the preferred genre!) to give them a nice selection.

This could be achieved on higher level - installer frontend that sorts packages from repositories by their group in .spec file (eg. Amusements/Games/Action/Arcade). I think there is already a work in progress.

Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be used by users directly. It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put stuff into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort this software via this. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

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On 29.04.2008 at 13:51, Pavol Rusnak wrote: Adrian Schröter wrote: Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be used by users directly.

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It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put stuff into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort this software via this.

If there are no objections I will merge mentioned games:* projects into one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team): could you please create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will take care of the rest.

Pavol, I think it's a good idea... I was always in favour of having them all together. Having the package manager front end separating them again makes sense.. but for the repository, it's just 'games'. In general, I think sometimes the repository structure is a bit 'over engineered' and to many splits are done. The user rights are one thing of concern: games will now have approx 30 - 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion... so in short: put them all together! Can we have this announced also on news and on the announcement mailinglist? I see already several threads starting on the support lists that the games repos do no longer work. Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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The user rights are one thing of concern: games will now have approx 30 - 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...

Don't give every user the right to manage the whole repository, but give the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of people a lot.

Plus a <useforbuild><disable/></useforbuild> line in the project metadata. But this can probably be overridden in the package metadata :-( Michal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 18:52:59 wrote Dirk Stoecker:

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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The user rights are one thing of concern: games will now have approx 30 - 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...

Don't give every user the right to manage the whole repository, but give the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of people a lot.

For new packages, one of the maintainers of the repository must be asked to create it, but that happens not so often compared to the daily work.

Yes, and addition to that we will make it lot easier to work from outside of the project. This means everybody can contribute, but only the people inside of a project or package can approve the change. This would lead to a situation where you can first request changes (aka patches when people work on cvs/svn) and can later on decide to give write rights or not. Timeline for this is end of next month :) But you can actually already play with some of the features, look at the "osc submitreq" command. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 13:51:46 wrote Pavol Rusnak:

Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be used by users directly. It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put stuff into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort this software via this.

If there are no objections I will merge mentioned games:* projects into one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team): could you please create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will take care of the rest.

done. This means that you can create (and remove) also any projects below games:, for example games:testing or alike. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org