27 Apr
2008
27 Apr
'08
3:18 p.m.
Hello folks!
Right now we have 12 repositories in games: namespace. They are
games:action
games:adventure
games:arcade
games:board
games:libs
games:liflg
games:puzzle
games:roleplay
games:strategy:realtime
games:strategy:turn-based
games:tools
games:WorldForge
I propose to merge action, adventure, arcade, board, puzzle, roleplay
and strategy:* projects into one project called games. WorldForge,
tools, liflg seem to be some private projects and they will stay
untouched. I'd also like to keep games:libs project separate, because it
is used primarily to backport new versions of libraries that games use
to older releases of openSUSE (and thus needn't to be present in new
installations for example). This merge has another advantage. Some of
the games are misplaced (arcade games in action games and vice versa),
so gamers which install lots of games do not have to investigate in
which repository their favorite game is (and they don't have to install
7 repositories also!). Any comments or ideas (or probably explanation
why so punctual separation was used)?
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29 Apr
29 Apr
7:02 a.m.
> On
29.04.2008 at 13:51, Pavol Rusnak <prusnak(a)suse.cz> wrote:
Adrian Schröter
wrote:
> Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be used by users
> It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put
stuff
> into a project or not. So it would not make sense
to sort this
software via
this.
If there are no objections I will merge mentioned games:* projects one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team):
could you please
create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will
take care of the rest.
Pavol,
I think it's a good idea... I was always in favour of having them all
together. Having the package manager front end separating them again
makes sense.. but for the repository, it's just 'games'.
In general, I think sometimes the repository structure is a bit 'over
engineered' and to many splits are done.
The user rights are one thing of concern: games will now have approx 30
- 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see
there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember
myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights
are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can
we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The
suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those
information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are
most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...
so in short: put them all together!
Can we have this announced also on news and on the announcement
mailinglist? I see already several threads starting on the support lists
that the games repos do no longer work.
Dominique
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7:03 a.m.
Pavol Rusnak wrote:
If there are no objections I will merge mentioned
games:* projects into
one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team): could you please
create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will
take care of the rest.
It would be a good idea to make users aware of this change in advance
(if I understand it correctly, they'll need to subscribe the new
repository, unsubscribe the old ones and import a new key). A news.o.o
article perhaps?
Michal
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28 Apr
28 Apr
5:21 a.m.
Stefan Dirsch wrote:
Well, the basic idea was to offer packaged games
sorted by genre for
users who don't know their favorite Linux games yet (but the preferred
genre!) to give them a nice selection.
This could be achieved on higher level - installer frontend that sorts
packages from repositories by their group in .spec file (eg.
Amusements/Games/Action/Arcade). I think there is already a work in
progress.
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6:12 a.m.
On Monday 28 April 2008 12:21:33 wrote Pavol Rusnak:
Stefan Dirsch wrote:
Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be used by users directly.
It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put stuff
into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort this software via
this.
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Well, the basic idea was to offer packaged games
sorted by genre for
users who don't know their favorite Linux games yet (but the preferred
genre!) to give them a nice selection.
This could be achieved on higher level - installer frontend that sorts
packages from repositories by their group in .spec file (eg.
Amusements/Games/Action/Arcade). I think there is already a work in
progress. 
1:30 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:18:13PM +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
Hello folks!
Right now we have 12 repositories in games: namespace. They are
games:action
games:adventure
games:arcade
games:board
games:libs
games:liflg
games:puzzle
games:roleplay
games:strategy:realtime
games:strategy:turn-based
games:tools
games:WorldForge
I propose to merge action, adventure, arcade, board, puzzle, roleplay and
strategy:* projects into one project called games. WorldForge, tools, liflg
seem to be some private projects and they will stay untouched. I'd also
like to keep games:libs project separate, because it is used primarily to
backport new versions of libraries that games use to older releases of
openSUSE (and thus needn't to be present in new installations for example).
This merge has another advantage. Some of the games are misplaced (arcade
games in action games and vice versa), so gamers which install lots of
games do not have to investigate in which repository their favorite game is
(and they don't have to install 7 repositories also!). Any comments or
ideas (or probably explanation why so punctual separation was used)?
Well, the basic idea was to offer packaged games sorted by genre for
users who don't know their favorite Linux games yet (but the preferred
genre!) to give them a nice selection. Looks like everybody already
knows his favorite Linux games and is now getting annoyed or at least
confused by all these different repositories.
Best regards,
Stefan
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29 Apr
29 Apr
6:51 a.m.
Adrian Schröter wrote:
Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to be
used by users directly.
It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you can put stuff
into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort this software via
this.
If there are no objections I will merge mentioned games:* projects into
one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team): could you please
create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will
take care of the rest.
--
Best Regards / S pozdravom,
Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o
Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12
PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR
prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz
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11:52 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] User handling (was: Packages in games:* projects)
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
The user rights are one thing of concern: games will
now have approx 30
- 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see
there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember
myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights
are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can
we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The
suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those
information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are
most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...
Don't give every user the right to manage the whole repository, but give
the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of
people a lot.
For new packages, one of the maintainers of the repository must be asked
to create it, but that happens not so often compared to the daily work.
Ciao
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New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] User handling
Dirk Stoecker napsal(a):
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
Plus a <useforbuild><disable/></useforbuild> line in the project
metadata. But this can probably be overridden in the package metadata :-(
Michal
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The user rights are one thing of concern: games
will now have approx 30
- 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see
there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember
myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights
are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can
we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The
suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those
information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are
most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...
Don't give every user the right to manage the whole repository, but give
the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of
people a lot.
2:11 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] User handling
Dirk Stoecker wrote:
Don't give every user the right to manage the
whole repository, but give
the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of
people a lot.
That is my plan.
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Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o
Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12
PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR
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30 Apr
3:42 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] User handling (was: Packages in games:* projects)
On Tuesday 29 April 2008 18:52:59 wrote Dirk Stoecker:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
Yes, and addition to that we will make it lot easier to work from outside of
the project. This means everybody can contribute, but only the people inside
of a project or package can approve the change.
This would lead to a situation where you can first request changes (aka
patches when people work on cvs/svn) and can later on decide to give write
rights or not.
Timeline for this is end of next month :)
But you can actually already play with some of the features, look at the "osc
submitreq" command.
bye
adrian
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The user rights are one thing of concern: games
will now have approx 30
- 40 comiters I think, number is probably growing. One issue I can see
there is the way people are approved to write in a project. I remember
myself: basically asking on the ML and a few minutes later the rights
are granted. This is very good for the growth of the system, but how can
we guarantee a certain level of trust for the user like this? The
suggested trust model so far is nice, but as long as all those
information is only on the web and not in any package manager, they are
most likely never to be seen. But that's another discussion...
Don't give every user the right to manage the whole repository, but give
the users only rights in their own packages. This reduces the number of
people a lot.
For new packages, one of the maintainers of the repository must be asked
to create it, but that happens not so often compared to the daily work.
3:51 a.m.
On Tuesday 29 April 2008 13:51:46 wrote Pavol Rusnak:
Adrian Schröter wrote:
done.
This means that you can create (and remove) also any projects below games:,
for example games:testing or alike.
bye
adrian
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Yes, this directory structure was never meaned to
be used by users
directly. It is mostly anyway bounded by technical constraints, if you
can put stuff into a project or not. So it would not make sense to sort
this software via this.
If there are no objections I will merge mentioned games:* projects into
one later today. Adrian (or anyone from OBS team): could you please
create games project in OBS root and me as a maintaner of it? I will
take care of the rest.
1 May
1 May
1:16 p.m.
Adrian Schröter wrote:
This means that you can create (and remove) also any
projects below games:,
for example games:testing or alike.
I finished migration of games from old repositories to the new global
one. Please check user permissions, if you are still maintainers of the
packages you have maintained before. If there are any problems, write me
an email. Thanks!
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Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o
Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12
PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR
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