[Bug 210881] New: switch to microsoft multimedia keyboard layout by default
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 Summary: switch to microsoft multimedia keyboard layout by default Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Alpha 5 Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: SaX2 AssignedTo: ms@novell.com ReportedBy: dmueller@novell.com QAContact: qa@suse.de Hi, in order to properly (without xmodmap hacks) support laptop keys by default, sax2 has to configure the keyboard map to the microsoft multimedia layout. It would be nice if it would do that by default in all cases that make sense (e.g. even non-laptop installations with keyboards that could possibly be such a layout) to make multimedia/laptop keys work on as many machines as possible. the current xmodmap hack is the file in /usr/share/hotkey-setup/hotkey-setup.xmodmap I would like to get rid of that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Enhancement ------- Comment #1 from ms@novell.com 2006-10-09 01:37 MST ------- if you don't mind send me the information of hwinfo --keyboard I will try to add a mapping based on the vendor/device id like I do for mice as well -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #2 from wstephenson@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:06 MST ------- hwinfo --keyboard for HP Pavilin zt3000 19: PS/2 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at input.139] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input Unique ID: EXC1.TBWTwSuMeW2 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Vendor: int 0x0211 Device: int 0x0001 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Files: /dev/input/event1, /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-4-event-kbd Device Number: char 13:65 Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #3 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:07 MST ------- hwinfo for Microsoft natural multimedia keyboard: 22: PS/2 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at input.139] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input Unique ID: EXC1.TBWTwSuMeW2 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Vendor: int 0x0211 Device: int 0x0001 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Files: /dev/input/event1, /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-1-event-kbd Device Number: char 13:65 Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #4 from wstephenson@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:08 MST ------- hwinfo --keyboard for Logitech Access Keyboard wstephenson@coquet:~> /usr/sbin/hwinfo --keyboard 20: PS/2 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at input.139] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input Unique ID: EXC1.TBWTwSuMeW2 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Vendor: int 0x0211 Device: int 0x0001 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Number: char 13:65 Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown w -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #5 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:08 MST ------- hwinfo for samsung x20 laptop 17: PS/2 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at input.139] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input Unique ID: EXC1.TBWTwSuMeW2 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Vendor: int 0x0211 Device: int 0x0001 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Files: /dev/input/event1, /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-4-event-kbd Device Number: char 13:65 Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=yes, avail=yes, need=yes, active=unknown -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #6 from stbinner@suse.de 2006-10-09 03:12 MST ------- hwinfo for Medion kbr0108 22: USB 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at usb.122] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4f2_200_noserial_if0_logicaldev_input Unique ID: FKGF.+_k5c6xmAsC Parent ID: pBe4.fGtEn4pQAv3 SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0 SysFS BusID: 2-1:1.0 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "Chicony Electronics USB Wireless HID Receiver" Hotplug: USB Vendor: usb 0x04f2 "Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd." Device: usb 0x0200 "USB Wireless HID Receiver" Revision: "0.03" Driver: "usbhid" Driver Modules: "usbhid" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Files: /dev/input/event1, /dev/input/by-id/usb-Chicony_USB_Wireless_HID_Receiver-event-kbd, /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:1:1.0-event-kbd Device Number: char 13:65 Speed: 1.5 Mbps Module Alias: "usb:v04F2p0200d0003dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip01" Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #17 (Hub) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #7 from wstephenson@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:14 MST ------- Cherry linux keyboard will@emsig:~> /usr/sbin/hwinfo --keyboard 17: USB 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at usb.123] Unique ID: PYMB.eZRaBnFeMl6 Parent ID: zPk0.ONEN4TeEMyD SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.3/usb4/4-1/4-1:1.0 SysFS BusID: 4-1:1.0 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "Cherry Mikroschalter Keyboard" Hotplug: USB Vendor: usb 0x046a "Cherry Mikroschalter GmbH" Device: usb 0x0023 Revision: "0.32" Driver: "usbhid" Device File: /dev/input/event1 Device Number: char 13:65 Speed: 1.5 Mbps Module Alias: "usb:v046Ap0023d0032dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip01" Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #16 (Hub) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #8 from llunak@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:24 MST ------- No-idea-what-brand keyboard, something made in China :) : 21: PS/2 00.0: 10800 Keyboard [Created at input.137] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input Unique ID: nLyy.TBWTwSuMeW2 Hardware Class: keyboard Model: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Vendor: int 0x0211 Device: int 0x0001 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" Device File: /dev/input/event0 Device Number: char 13:64 Driver Info #0: XkbRules: xfree86 XkbModel: pc104 Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |dmueller@novell.com ------- Comment #9 from ms@novell.com 2006-10-09 03:32 MST ------- Thanks for all the information. I myself have a Microsoft Natural device which I will add as well. Anyway there is a problem with PS/2 connected devices. I'm sorry but such keyboards are not "plug&play" ready which means they don't answer to the escape sequence sent to the device. Therefore any PS/2 connected devices are "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" which I cannot distinguish from a "normal keyboard" Currently I have the following list: 0x045e : 0x00db : microsoft # Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 0x04f2 : 0x0200 : chicony # Chicony Electronics USB Wireless HID Receiver 0x046a : 0x0023 : cherry # Cherry Mikroschalter Keyboard Problem is I don't know which XkbModel you are using for the keyboard and which XKB options you activated. I use my Microsoft Natural keyboard with "XkbModel" "microsoft" and it works as it should but for the other devices I need your help Thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED Info Provider|dmueller@novell.com | Resolution| |FIXED ------- Comment #10 from ms@novell.com 2006-10-10 03:23 MST ------- ok, support for multimedia kbd setup has been added now. Currently only my private keyboard has been added because I can test this hardware. The Input.map contains among others: # Keyboards # Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 # ---> is profile: microsoft-natural 0x045e : 0x00db : microsoft-natural # Chicony Electronics USB Wireless HID Receiver # ---> is profile: no information yet 0x04f2 : 0x0200 : <undefined> # Cherry Mikroschalter Keyboard # ---> is profile: no information yet 0x046a : 0x0023 : <undefined> If you want your keyboard to be part of this mapping table sent me a working InputDevice section of your xorg.conf using a multimedia layout Thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 dmueller@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | ------- Comment #11 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-10-10 12:50 MST ------- ok.. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 dmueller@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |dmueller@novell.com ------- Comment #12 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-10-10 12:51 MST ------- check which keyboardmodel works with the samsung x20 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 llunak@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |llunak@novell.com ------- Comment #13 from llunak@novell.com 2006-10-11 04:19 MST ------- I may be just missing something, but what's the problem with simply defaulting to the multimedia model if there's no better choice? Currently we default to the pc104 model, which means there are missing key mappings for many keyboards. If we change the default to the multimedia model, the only difference should be that now some key mappings will be superfluous and unused, as far as I see. Having something superfluous and unused seems like a much better choice to me rather than missing something. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #14 from ms@novell.com 2006-10-11 07:37 MST ------- If you call cat /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols.dir | grep inet | wc -l you'll find about 199 different multimedia descriptions. Which one of them do you think is a usefull default ? I think none of them can act as a default because especially internet/multimedia keyboards are very different from each other. The only standard is pc104 for us based layouts and from my perspective it is better to support the standard well as guessing a multimedia default -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #15 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-10-11 08:03 MST ------- the hotkey-setup during start will configure laptop key mappings to the microsoft natural keyboard mapping. thats why it should default to this mapping for those laptops (which were reported above as PS/2 AT keyboard iirc). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #16 from llunak@novell.com 2006-10-11 08:15 MST ------- I'd say that any of them is a useful default, because: - pc104 has 0% chance of supporting the multimedia keys on a particular model, while any of those has 0+% chance - if I'm getting it right, the fallback plan is to go with /usr/share/hotkey-setup/hotkey-setup.xmodmap, which does exactly the same, just in a more hackish way And in fact, the initial comment suggests which one to use as the default. Where's the problem with what's said in comment #13 (worse problem than when defaulting to pc104, that is)? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED Info Provider|dmueller@novell.com | Resolution| |FIXED ------- Comment #17 from ms@novell.com 2006-10-16 07:45 MST ------- well let's see how it works. I enabled the inet type "microsoft" instead of pc105 for the console mappings of: de-lat* -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 dmueller@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | ------- Comment #18 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-11-11 16:29 MST ------- hmm, that doesn't help anything. it should be "microsoftpro", because the microsoft model doesn't have any mapping for multimedia keys. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #19 from ms@novell.com 2006-11-12 10:01 MST ------- a bit late to mention don't you think ? I will fix it -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Comment #20 from ms@novell.com 2006-11-13 07:36 MST ------- fixed -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #21 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-11-15 09:01 MST ------- I'm sorry, I haven't verified before :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 llunak@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | ------- Comment #22 from llunak@novell.com 2006-12-08 11:03 MST ------- Guess what ... 10.2 here still defaults to the pc104 keyboard model (comment #8 has the hwinfo, not that I think it matters). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #23 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-12-09 07:28 MST ------- I can confirm the issue with my qemu test installations (which has a multimedia keyboard on the host computer). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |REMIND ------- Comment #24 from ms@novell.com 2006-12-11 02:14 MST ------- I only changed that behavior for the mapping of the de-latin1-nodeadkeys console keymap. If you have another keymap in your /etc/sysconfig/keyboard the microsoftpro will not apply. That happens intentionally because I want this enhancement to be tested in one environment first. If you want the microsoftpro to be enabled for another console mapping as well, test first then tell me and I will activate it. I'm sorry guys but the expression "it works for me so change it globally" has been heart very often and often has introduced major problems. That's why I'm carefully with such changes especially if a keymap is assigned to a keyboard which doesn't reference the correct hardware You can check the mapping table yourself: /usr/share/sax/sysp/maps/Keyboard.map -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #25 from llunak@novell.com 2006-12-11 03:10 MST ------- You gotta be kidding. So we work on supporting multimedia keys nicely by default, but they actually don't work by default at all because of some very unlikely possibility of breakages that don't get really tested properly anyway during beta phase since they're enabled only for one layout (which, however, has it enabled even in final)? And that's "RESOLVED"? Dirk: I guess we'll have to default to it ourselves in KDE setup. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #26 from ms@novell.com 2006-12-11 03:24 MST ------- yes that's great cooperation. The possibility for testing has been introduced on Mon Oct 16 14:01:35 CEST 2006, did you test it, you don't I tested it and it works for me, do you activate anything globally only because it works for you ? complaining after RC is simply too late for 10.2 but it can be easily changed for 10.3... that's something you don't want you are feeling offended and start kicking people who took care, great cooperation, great style, do what you think you have to do by the way the status is "resolved remind" this is different from "resolved fixed" at least for me it is you can believe that or forget it -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #27 from dmueller@novell.com 2006-12-11 03:43 MST ------- How about submitting it *now* for 10.3 so that we can get testing coverage for the full alpha/beta cycle? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=210881 ------- Comment #28 from ms@novell.com 2006-12-11 03:55 MST ------- done, changed it for all pc105/pc104 based keyboard types except old atari based keyboards... they for sure doesn't provide any internet keys. Package will be submitted tomorrow -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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