[Bug 819798] New: No easy way to try keyboard layout during installation
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c0 Summary: No easy way to try keyboard layout during installation Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 12.3 Version: Final Platform: All OS/Version: openSUSE 12.3 Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: sknorr@novell.com QAContact: jsrain@suse.com Found By: --- Blocker: --- User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 It would be cool to have a simple text field next to the keyboard layout selector to test whether one is setting the right layout during installation. (Very useful for checking deadkeys etc. Also, this is a standard feature e.g. of Ubuntu's Ubiquity installer.) The workaround I found for this was to click the Help button, and then enter something in the search field. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Insert install CD/DVD/USB drive 2. Choose Install option 3. Wait. 4. On the screen appearing now, you can set the language and keyboard layout. Actual Results: There is no text field to try the layout. Expected Results: There should be a text field to try the layout. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c Ye Yuan <yyuan@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |yyuan@suse.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c Arvin Schnell <aschnell@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jsuchome@suse.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c1 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |sknorr@novell.com --- Comment #1 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2013-05-31 09:35:02 UTC --- I'm not sure. The text field you are requesting is actually there - in the Keyboard selection screen. You can reach that one from the Installation Summary. But you want it in the first dialog, where we have Language & Keyboard selection and License text. My opinion is, that this dialog has already lot of widgets and would get crowded (= ugly). Do you have screenshot of that Ubuntu step? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c2 --- Comment #2 from Stefan Knorr <sknorr@novell.com> 2013-06-04 03:12:50 UTC --- Hi Jiri, luckily, the Ubuntu folks have documented their installer pretty well. See step 7 from: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest For further reference, here's the openSUSE installer: http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/art.osu... In it, you set the keyboard layout in step 1 already. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c3 --- Comment #3 from Stefan Knorr <sknorr@novell.com> 2013-06-04 03:22:03 UTC --- To me, the odd one out on the first screen seems to be the license, as it has no relationship with the language selector really. How come Ubuntu does without any explicit license acceptance screen (all they inform about are the Flash/Fluendo/etc. licenses, but they don't even quote those)? Are they ignoring any legal issues here? (Also thanks for informing me about the availability of such a text field from the summary page.) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c Stefan Knorr <sknorr@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW InfoProvider|sknorr@novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c4 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |coolo@suse.com --- Comment #4 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2013-06-04 07:17:14 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2)
Hi Jiri,
luckily, the Ubuntu folks have documented their installer pretty well. See step 7 from: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
Well, this is quite similar to what we have in special keboard settings. We actually had it accessible directly as installation step as well, but later chose to use that dialog which just groups more stuff together: it is enough for most users, who also benefict from the shorter workflow. Others have still the option to use expert dialog (accessible from the summary). About the license texts... you can see there's actually no acceptance here, just displaying the texts, which is, by nature different from the texts of the package licenses. Anyway, I still think our current way is the better one of those available. Coolo: any opinions? Could we remove the license from openSUSE? Should we add keyboard test entry into the first dialog? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c5 Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW CC| |coolo@suse.com InfoProvider|coolo@suse.com | --- Comment #5 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> 2013-06-04 09:40:38 CEST --- Our lawyers want the user to see the end user agreement and the agreement is implicit by continuing at this point. The installer looks the way it looks for over 5 years now and Stefan is the first to ask for an test field. I'm sure there are many asking for a shorter installation workflow in ubuntu "because openSUSE proves it works" - this is just how it is, tastes differ and as such installers differ. I can't see the value of dead keys during installation either. If your user name has dead keys, you will have *that* test 2 screens later. If not, you can fix the layout after installation. WONTFIX for me. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c6 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #6 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2013-06-04 08:29:55 UTC --- I agree with Stephan here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c7 --- Comment #7 from Stefan Knorr <sknorr@novell.com> 2013-06-04 09:50:34 UTC --- (In reply to comment #5)
I'm sure there are many asking for a shorter installation workflow in ubuntu "because openSUSE proves it works"
Hum, well: * Ubuntu's installer is actually a step shorter (I've counted) * Ubuntu's installer is finished quicker, because it starts copying files immediately after you picked the right partition layout and then lets you set up things like user name, time zone, etc. * After you've installed it, an Ubuntu system is already up-to-date, can play Flash movies and MP3's (if you selected that tick box), and has Wi-fi set up * Ubuntu doesn't make its users decide between two desktops (which to novice users is an impossible-to-make decision & so, I guess, quite a time-waster for them) * Ubuntu's partition set up is much more user-friendly It's by no means perfect, but, and that is indeed just imho, looks/feels more professional and trustworthy.
I can't see the value of dead keys during installation either. If your user name has dead keys, you will have *that* test 2 screens later. If not, you can fix the layout after installation.
Sure, but why not pick the right one immediately? There'd be no need for an installer, if it were fine for everyone to just configure everything post file-copying. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=819798#c8 --- Comment #8 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> 2013-06-05 01:12:57 CEST --- I'm very much aware that ubuntu doesn't give users a choice about desktops and it's one of the main reasons I hear people loving openSUSE. So if you like ubuntu better, I wish you all the best with it. As Jiri told you, you *can* have a more detailed keyboard screen when changing it in the summary. But for 99% of the users, a simple language selection picks the right keyboard. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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