Comment # 21 on bug 1184072 from Stefan Dirsch

(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #20)
> (In reply to Stefan Dirsch from comment #18)
> > *** Bug 1184543 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
> 
> After installation (not GNOME Live) it seems I could not log in (there was
> no error message, just the GNOME login reappeared after having entered use
> and password), when in fact wayland had crashed (AMD Ryzen 4700 in a Lenovo
> E15 2nd gen). I managed to log in using the setting "GNOME with X11".
> 
> There should be some useful indication to the user if wayland crashed. Maybe
> wayland just isn't ready for the users.

And this is now with or without the fix i.e an updated xorg-x11-server-wayland
package?