Hello,
most of the previous discussions on the matter could be found under:
[opensuse-wiki-de] Impressum
http://lists.suse.com/opensuse-wiki-de/2011-05/msg00110.html and following
Re: [opensuse-wiki-de] Team Meeting //
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki-de/2011-06/msg00043.html and
following
Am 20/06/11 11:51, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hey,
On 19.06.2011 20:52, Lisufas Linuxfreunde wrote:
weder der 'Community-Manager' noch 'Andreas Jäger' müssen/dürfen oder
sollen das entscheiden. Es wäre schon nett wenn sich jemand
(Community-Manager, oder einer der "alten Hasen" die sich beim Projekt
entsprechend auskennen) bereit erklären würde hier die entsprechenden
Stellen zu kontaktieren und damit eine Lösung in Gang setzen.
Hallloooooooo?????? Ich bin der älteste Hase überhaupt (8-) und ich hab
jetzt schon mindestens 2 mal gesagt was wir machen können. Rede ich
Chinesisch? ;-)
Das Impressum von Kim war doch nen guter Anfang, der Passus aus der
Wikipedia nen toller Zusatz, die Verbindung mit der Novell.com/de-de
Legal Seite die Krönung. Können wir das bitte einfach zu ende machen und
auf opensuse-bar zu ende diskutieren? Danke
Henne
**I.**
It makes not much/any sense to use (only) English language while
discussing about
German language 'terms and conditions' (de: AGB) for a German language
wiki (and so used against German speaking people) and the terms wording
in German language.
Do you (Henne) want to discuss it on this "bar" list (->not indexed by
Google etc.?) in German and we/you just try also to give to questions
asked in Englisch an Englisch answer?
**II.**
If you want to disscuss above for the content of the imprint -> do
discuss it.
Who shall be named responsible in the 'inprint'?
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: [opensuse-wiki-de] Impressumsentwurf (was: Team Meeting)
Datum: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:02:40 +0200
Von: Kim Leyendecker
Organisation: SUSE LINUX / openSUSE
An: opensuse-wiki-de@opensuse.org
Anbei der Impressumsentwurf:
-kdl
[QUOTE]
Impressum
Novell Deutschland GmbH
Nördlicher Zubringer 9-11
D-40470 Düsseldorf
Vertreten durch:
Geschäftsführer: Dr. Jürgen Müller, Sylvia Geil, Felix Imendörffer
Inhaltlich Verantwortlicher: Stefan Backes
Kontakt:
Telefon: 49 (0)211 - 56 31 - 0
Telefax:
E-Mail: kontakt-de@novell.com
Registereintrag:
Eintragung im Handelsregister.
Registergericht:Amtsgericht Düsseldorf
Registernummer: HRB 21108
[...]
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Amtsgericht Düsseldorf Aktenzeichen: HRB 21108 Bekannt gemacht am:
07.06.2011 12:00 Uhr
In ().
gesetzte Angaben der Anschrift und des Geschäftszweiges erfolgen ohne
Gewähr.
Veränderungen
25.05.2011
Novell GmbH, Düsseldorf, Nördlicher Zubringer 9-11, 40470 Düsseldorf.
Nicht mehr Geschäftsführer: Dr. Müller, Jürgen Karl, Düsseldorf,
*23.02.1957. Bestellt als Geschäftsführer: Guild, Jennifer, Seattle, WA
90112 /USA, *24.11.1954; Hawn, Jeffrey Scott, Austin, TX 78731/USA,
*11.11.1963, jeweils einzelvertretungsberechtigt mit der Befugnis im
Namen der Gesellschaft mit sich im eigenen Namen oder als Vertreter
eines Dritten Rechtsgeschäfte abzuschließen.
[/QUOTE]
->
*Possibility 1:*
Impressum
Verantwortliche für das deutschsprachige openSUSE-Wiki,
Angaben gemäß § 5 Telemediengesetz (TMG) / § 55 Staatsvertrag über
Rundfunk und Telemedien (RStV):
Novell Deutschland GmbH
Nördlicher Zubringer 9-11
D-40470 Düsseldorf
Vertreten durch ihre Geschäftsführer: Sylvia Geil, Jeffrey Scott Hawn,
Jennifer Guild, (jeweils einzeln)
Kontakt:
Telefon: 49 (0)211 - 56 31 - 0
E-Mail: kontakt-de@novell.com
Registereintrag:
Eintragung im Handelsregister.
Registergericht:Amtsgericht Düsseldorf
Registernummer: HRB 21108
*Umsatzsteuernummer:????*
*Possibility 2:*
Novell Inc.
...
???
-> is there something like a Handelsregister (en: common register?)
->where Novell Inc. is registered in a trade or similar public register,
the trade register in which Novell Inc. is entered and his registration
number, or equivalent means of identification in that register )
Has Novell Inc. any German or European numbers/IDs for value added tax/???
*Possiblity 3:*
SUSE Linux GmbH
....
*Possibility 4:*
SUSE Linux Vertriebs- und ...
...
**See for futher information:**
*Dr. jur. Stephan Ott:*
Die Impressumspflicht nach § 5 TMG / § 55 RStV
http://www.linksandlaw.info/Impressumspflicht-Notwendige-Angaben.html
and
Telefonnummer ins Impressum? Die Rechtslage nach dem EuGH-Urteil
http://www.linksandlaw.info/Impressumspflicht-45-eugh-urteil.html
*European Parliament and of the Council:*
Directive 2000/31/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 8
June 2000 on certain legal aspects of information society services, in
particular electronic commerce, in the Internal Market ('Directive on
electronic commerce')
Official Journal L 178 , 17/07/2000 P. 0001 - 0016
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000L0031:EN:HT...
with:
[...]
Article 5
General information to be provided
1. In addition to other information requirements established by
Community law, Member States shall ensure that the service provider
shall render easily, directly and permanently accessible to the
recipients of the service and competent authorities, at least the
following information:
(a) the name of the service provider;
(b) the geographic address at which the service provider is established;
(c) the details of the service provider, including his electronic mail
address, which allow him to be contacted rapidly and communicated with
in a direct and effective manner;
(d) where the service provider is registered in a trade or similar
public register, the trade register in which the service provider is
entered and his registration number, or equivalent means of
identification in that register;
(e) where the activity is subject to an authorisation scheme, the
particulars of the relevant supervisory authority;
(f) as concerns the regulated professions:
- any professional body or similar institution with which the service
provider is registered,
- the professional title and the Member State where it has been granted,
- a reference to the applicable professional rules in the Member State
of establishment and the means to access them;
(g) where the service provider undertakes an activity that is subject to
VAT, the identification number referred to in Article 22(1) of the sixth
Council Directive 77/388/EEC of 17 May 1977 on the harmonisation of the
laws of the Member States relating to turnover taxes - Common system of
value added tax: uniform basis of assessment(29).
2. In addition to other information requirements established by
Community law, Member States shall at least ensure that, where
information society services refer to prices, these are to be indicated
clearly and unambiguously and, in particular, must indicate whether they
are inclusive of tax and delivery costs.
[...]
*European Court of Justice*
Judgment of the Court (Fourth Chamber) of 16 October
2008 (reference for a preliminary ruling from the Bundesgerichtshof
— Germany) — Bundesverband der
Verbraucherzentralen und Verbraucherverbände —
Verbraucherzentrale Bundesverband eV v deutsche internet
versicherung AG
(Case C-298/07))
(Directive 2000/31/EC — Article 5(1)(c) — Electronic
commerce — Internet service provider — Electronic mail)
(2008/C 313/11)
Language of the case: German
de:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:313:0007:000...
en:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:313:0007:000...
And more on this decision on:
http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=EN&Submit=Rechercher$docrequire=alldocs&numaff=C-298/07&datefs=&datefe=&nomusuel=&domaine=&mots=&resmax=100
Have a lot of fun
Martin
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