My understanding of artwork neutrality, when being discussed in our community, fell into one of two contexts
Version Neutrality - Should our artwork be 'version neutral', and therefore be suitable for reuse across multiple openSUSE versions, instead of remaking/redesigning totally new designs for each release?
In this scenario, my opinion is both yes and no - I have no objection to version neutral artwork, but I prefer version specific, and if we have the people and time to do it, I think we should
The other 'neutrality' I've seen discussed is 'Desktop Neutrality' - Should KDE and GNOME be 'forced' to use the same Artwork, given both desktops and their different environment might favour different designs?
Personally, I feel we get this 'right' currently - we seem keen to pick a design that is easy to use across the distribution, but there seems no problem in minor alterations for specific needs (eg. different cropping for Grub menu, colour changing over time for GNOME, etc) I like the idea and think that we should have the freedom to have different designs in GNOME and KDE, but just because we *could* doesn't mean we *should*, and I think a unified core design being used differently across the distribution is a way to go.
As for all the other 'neutralities' you could speak about with artwork - that might be something to keep in mind, but I think the two issues above is what most people have been talking about when speaking about artwork neutrality - feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong though! :)
Richard Brown Systems Engineering Team Leader City College Brighton and Hove
andi robert anditosan1000@gmail.com 12/13/11 22:01 PM >>>
Following up with the discussion we had during our artwork meeting, there was an idea about making sure that our artwork was "neutral." I am not sure what this means for the artwork team or if we should actually define our artwork neutrality. It would seem appropriate to mention that neutrality relates to using artwork that does not identify other entities, religious, governmental, or social that is not openSUSE. I would invite those who proposed the definition of this idea to express their opinion about what neutrality should be interpreted as for our team.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
Dear Richard.
My understanding of artwork neutrality, when being discussed in our community, fell into one of two contexts
Version Neutrality - Should our artwork be 'version neutral', and therefore be suitable for reuse across multiple openSUSE versions, instead of remaking/redesigning totally new designs for each release?
In this scenario, my opinion is both yes and no - I have no objection to version neutral artwork, but I prefer version specific, and if we have the people and time to do it, I think we should
Thanks for the good summary.
If we got enough time and (wo)menpower, we should use different design al-through the distro. As we all know, last release was a bit streesful, but hopefully we can get it right for 12.2
Therefor we need an early concept submission deadline, so we got enough time to work on the distro artwork.
The other 'neutrality' I've seen discussed is 'Desktop Neutrality' - Should KDE and GNOME be 'forced' to use the same Artwork, given both desktops and their different environment might favour different designs?
Personally, I feel we get this 'right' currently - we seem keen to pick a design that is easy to use across the distribution, but there seems no problem in minor alterations for specific needs (eg. different cropping for Grub menu, colour changing over time for GNOME, etc) I like the idea and think that we should have the freedom to have different designs in GNOME and KDE, but just because we *could* doesn't mean we *should*, and I think a unified core design being used differently across the distribution is a way to go.
As for all the other 'neutralities' you could speak about with artwork - that might be something to keep in mind, but I think the two issues above is what most people have been talking about when speaking about artwork neutrality - feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong though! :)
Imho, we shouldn't create different designs for GNOME and KDE.
Greets Marcus
Le 14/12/2011 08:32, Marcus Moeller a écrit :
Therefor we need an early concept submission deadline, so we got enough time to work on the distro artwork.
is there somewhere an acurate description of what *is* the distro artwork.
I mean with 12.1 we have seen very nice 12.1 green color in many new places like yast progress bar.
apart for the bootsplash and the desktop background, what are the artwork necessary?
thanks jdd
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Marcus Moeller marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Dear Richard.
My understanding of artwork neutrality, when being discussed in our community, fell into one of two contexts
Version Neutrality - Should our artwork be 'version neutral', and therefore be suitable for reuse across multiple openSUSE versions, instead of remaking/redesigning totally new designs for each release?
In this scenario, my opinion is both yes and no - I have no objection to version neutral artwork, but I prefer version specific, and if we have the people and time to do it, I think we should
Thanks for the good summary.
If we got enough time and (wo)menpower, we should use different design al-through the distro. As we all know, last release was a bit streesful, but hopefully we can get it right for 12.2
Therefor we need an early concept submission deadline, so we got enough time to work on the distro artwork.
That is awesome. Have we thought about a good design idea to work into the wallpapers? Let's submit that and then fix an early deadline and choose the wallpapers.
The other 'neutrality' I've seen discussed is 'Desktop Neutrality' - Should KDE and GNOME be 'forced' to use the same Artwork, given both desktops and their different environment might favour different designs?
Personally, I feel we get this 'right' currently - we seem keen to pick a design that is easy to use across the distribution, but there seems no problem in minor alterations for specific needs (eg. different cropping for Grub menu, colour changing over time for GNOME, etc) I like the idea and think that we should have the freedom to have different designs in GNOME and KDE, but just because we *could* doesn't mean we *should*, and I think a unified core design being used differently across the distribution is a way to go.
As for all the other 'neutralities' you could speak about with artwork - that might be something to keep in mind, but I think the two issues above is what most people have been talking about when speaking about artwork neutrality - feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong though! :)
Imho, we shouldn't create different designs for GNOME and KDE.
Greets Marcus
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:25 AM, andi robert anditosan1000@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Marcus Moeller marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Dear Richard.
My understanding of artwork neutrality, when being discussed in our community, fell into one of two contexts
Version Neutrality - Should our artwork be 'version neutral', and therefore be suitable for reuse across multiple openSUSE versions, instead of remaking/redesigning totally new designs for each release?
In this scenario, my opinion is both yes and no - I have no objection to version neutral artwork, but I prefer version specific, and if we have the people and time to do it, I think we should
Thanks for the good summary.
If we got enough time and (wo)menpower, we should use different design al-through the distro. As we all know, last release was a bit streesful, but hopefully we can get it right for 12.2
Therefor we need an early concept submission deadline, so we got enough time to work on the distro artwork.
That is awesome. Have we thought about a good design idea to work into the wallpapers? Let's submit that and then fix an early deadline and choose the wallpapers.
The other 'neutrality' I've seen discussed is 'Desktop Neutrality' - Should KDE and GNOME be 'forced' to use the same Artwork, given both desktops and their different environment might favour different designs?
Personally, I feel we get this 'right' currently - we seem keen to pick a design that is easy to use across the distribution, but there seems no problem in minor alterations for specific needs (eg. different cropping for Grub menu, colour changing over time for GNOME, etc) I like the idea and think that we should have the freedom to have different designs in GNOME and KDE, but just because we *could* doesn't mean we *should*, and I think a unified core design being used differently across the distribution is a way to go.
As for all the other 'neutralities' you could speak about with artwork - that might be something to keep in mind, but I think the two issues above is what most people have been talking about when speaking about artwork neutrality - feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong though! :)
Imho, we shouldn't create different designs for GNOME and KDE.
Greets Marcus
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So the idea is that we should generate artwork without a version specific theme. Something that we could use for a few versions. A good way to do this would be to create wallpaper sources with any versioning theme separate, on a separate layer or object (inkscape) so that it can be easily removed when other artists or new versions come around. I believe we do this to some extent already. The git repo shows the sources for each of the files that we use, but I am not sure if they have this specific feature of separating version-related objects or layers as separate.
Thanks
Hi again.
My understanding of artwork neutrality, when being discussed in our community, fell into one of two contexts
Version Neutrality - Should our artwork be 'version neutral', and therefore be suitable for reuse across multiple openSUSE versions, instead of remaking/redesigning totally new designs for each release?
In this scenario, my opinion is both yes and no - I have no objection to version neutral artwork, but I prefer version specific, and if we have the people and time to do it, I think we should
Thanks for the good summary.
If we got enough time and (wo)menpower, we should use different design al-through the distro. As we all know, last release was a bit streesful, but hopefully we can get it right for 12.2
Therefor we need an early concept submission deadline, so we got enough time to work on the distro artwork.
That is awesome. Have we thought about a good design idea to work into the wallpapers? Let's submit that and then fix an early deadline and choose the wallpapers.
The other 'neutrality' I've seen discussed is 'Desktop Neutrality' - Should KDE and GNOME be 'forced' to use the same Artwork, given both desktops and their different environment might favour different designs?
Personally, I feel we get this 'right' currently - we seem keen to pick a design that is easy to use across the distribution, but there seems no problem in minor alterations for specific needs (eg. different cropping for Grub menu, colour changing over time for GNOME, etc) I like the idea and think that we should have the freedom to have different designs in GNOME and KDE, but just because we *could* doesn't mean we *should*, and I think a unified core design being used differently across the distribution is a way to go.
As for all the other 'neutralities' you could speak about with artwork - that might be something to keep in mind, but I think the two issues above is what most people have been talking about when speaking about artwork neutrality - feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong though! :)
Imho, we shouldn't create different designs for GNOME and KDE.
Greets Marcus
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So the idea is that we should generate artwork without a version specific theme. Something that we could use for a few versions. A good way to do this would be to create wallpaper sources with any versioning theme separate, on a separate layer or object (inkscape) so that it can be easily removed when other artists or new versions come around. I believe we do this to some extent already. The git repo shows the sources for each of the files that we use, but I am not sure if they have this specific feature of separating version-related objects or layers as separate.
No, it's more about elements in the distro design that should be version neutral. That means e.g. the YaST background, the Grub/syslinux splash, the application splashes and maybe even the bootsplash. The wallpaper could and should of course vary.
Greets Marcus
Le 19/12/2011 19:50, Marcus Moeller a écrit :
No, it's more about elements in the distro design that should be version neutral. That means e.g. the YaST background, the Grub/syslinux splash, the application splashes and maybe even the bootsplash. The wallpaper could and should of course vary.
possible.
But if I understand well the way things work, apart from the wall paper or the boot splash (that can be nearly the same for default), the branding is mostly a single color. So it should be very easy to have a single branding file, at least in git, with all the necessary stuff for one distro.
If so, it's a matter of minutes to make the branding once the basic stuff is selected.
or are there more complicated artwork elsewhere? (where?)
if I'm right, we could work like this:
* choose a color (can be a pattern) or color variation for the next 3 distros - 12.1 was green X1,Y1,Z1; 12.2 will be green X2,Y2,Z2.... May be also 12.2 is a shade of green X1,Y1,Z1 and gray M1,N1,P1 (RGB) - vote on several proposal if necessary, or ask for users advice if the artwork teame agree on only one.
* try to find a good wallpaper/bootsplash form these colors - try to have as many as possible. ask the arwork team to select 3 of them and ask users to vote to choose the default one (the others are also given).
if all the branding is on only one file, the user will be able to change all the style/branding in one step.
may be I'm dreaming :-)
jdd
On Monday, December 19, 2011 08:32:50 PM jdd wrote:
if all the branding is on only one file, the user will be able to change all the style/branding in one step.
may be I'm dreaming
Yes :)
Branding is a bunch of files, not even in the same directory. What Markus meant is to treat separately those that are not in real need to be changed with each release and I'm for that. Also, I like your idea to have minimal changes for 12.{1,2,3} and then bigger after that.
Le 20/12/2011 05:33, Rajko M. a écrit :
On Monday, December 19, 2011 08:32:50 PM jdd wrote:
if all the branding is on only one file, the user will be able to change all the style/branding in one step.
may be I'm dreaming
Yes :)
:-)
try to make the dream true
Branding is a bunch of files, not even in the same directory.
that's why
* we have to identify then closely (but I guess it's already done in some manner, but is this published?)
* I spoke of a single file *for the team*. After that it's a manner of running a script to update all the packages (or it should)
What Markus meant is to treat separately those that are not in real need to be changed with each release and I'm for that.
list them, please.
Also, I like your idea to have
minimal changes for 12.{1,2,3} and then bigger after that.
thanks jdd
Hi jdd,
No, it's more about elements in the distro design that should be version neutral. That means e.g. the YaST background, the Grub/syslinux splash, the application splashes and maybe even the bootsplash. The wallpaper could and should of course vary.
possible.
But if I understand well the way things work, apart from the wall paper or the boot splash (that can be nearly the same for default), the branding is mostly a single color. So it should be very easy to have a single branding file, at least in git, with all the necessary stuff for one distro.
If so, it's a matter of minutes to make the branding once the basic stuff is selected.
or are there more complicated artwork elsewhere? (where?)
if I'm right, we could work like this:
- choose a color (can be a pattern) or color variation for the next 3
distros - 12.1 was green X1,Y1,Z1; 12.2 will be green X2,Y2,Z2.... May be also 12.2 is a shade of green X1,Y1,Z1 and gray M1,N1,P1 (RGB) - vote on several proposal if necessary, or ask for users advice if the artwork teame agree on only one.
- try to find a good wallpaper/bootsplash form these colors - try to
have as many as possible. ask the arwork team to select 3 of them and ask users to vote to choose the default one (the others are also given).
if all the branding is on only one file, the user will be able to change all the style/branding in one step.
may be I'm dreaming :-)
No, sounds good, I just would do it the other way around. Design a wallpaper and then select that background color to brand the common elements.
Greets Marcus
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