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Re: [opensuse] How should one make /media a tmpfs under 12.3?
Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/29/2013 07:36 AM:
On Saturday, 2013-06-29 at 07:19 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/28/2013 11:23 PM:

And RTFM only applies if you know what to look for already.

Again, we've told you a number of times and and I've said many, many times
"use apropos".

I have and I do. Why don't you think I did not?

cer@Telcontar:~> apropos tmpfs
tmpfs: nothing appropriate.

Yup, that happened to me.
But you don't get the same results with google :-)

However I also tried "apropos tmp" and filtered that with grep a few times.

But this is daunting:

cer@Telcontar:~> apropos systemd | wc -l

That's why I use grep. Daunting, but it didn't stop me. I persisted.

I followed a dead end with udev; did "apropos systemd| grep mount" and read those pages a few times; did "apropos systemd | grep tmp" read those.

I also went back over this list and read what Cristian had to say and check out the pages he referred to and the articles on the web he referred to, not least of all the stuff Lennart has written. That led me through various avenues that gave me a better general understanding of how systemd works and I gained more respect for how well it had been thought out. I then went though the [systemd-dev] archives.

You want fast answers? That's why we ask people here, people who have taken the time to wade though this stuff. I have no doubt that Cristian and Andrey and others have done. Its what I've done a number of times when I start on a new project and have to come up to speed fast.

The reality is that few people know how to write text-books and manuals that are laid out in a manner that addresses the specific thing you need to learn about. Call it "unstructured data". You have to wade though it and create your own structure. 5x3 cards are good. TiddlyWiki is good. Persistence is good.

I did look at documentation and examples, but got it wrong; so I came and
asked here instead, where there are humans that may already know the
answer. I'm helping people all the time, so I see nothing wrong in being
helped for once, instead of the other way round ;-)


What's discomforting is that we pointed you at the stuff and few times and you seemed to miss it and the narrow communication channel of email - what do they say, only 7% of communication is the words, we loose the 'tome', the body language - we're unclear as to why you seemed to miss it. That and you seem fluent in English ....

Google is wonderful if you are lucky or you have a good idea what to look

Mostly because I never get it right the first time, or the second, or the
third. I keep trying. With different words; With different word orders,
Sometimes settling it to exclude stuff.

Its not luck; its persistence.

My friends know that I'm bad at using google :-)

I give the impression of being good because I'm persistent, but even so, I get stumped at times. This was almost one. I was drowned in articles that were belabouring the point that using tmpfs for /tmp is "Bad Thing". It took persistence and filtering them out and refining the filtering. And more persistence. And being sidetracked. And having to deal with stuff a couple or more years old. And more filtering.

Google-fu is about persistence.

I was once doing some training course; most of them were younger than me.
When the teacher asked something, I thought about it. Those kids simply
wrote the whole question on google - and amazingly, they got the answer
quite often.

Of course some google-fu is learnt and those younger minds aren't full of the other stuff that clutters the minds of the likes of Thee and Mee (and few others...). But so long as the teacher asks questions that can respond to simple queries .... As time goes by, the 'Net has become 'The Net of a Million Lies" and google can't tell the difference. One day those simple questions resulting in simple queries will get wrong answers. Or simply 'popularist' answers. Like relying on Wikipedia as an authoritative source of knowledge. With age and experience comes, one hopes, discernment. So 'thinking about it' is a good skill to have. Along with persistence.

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