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Re: [opensuse] Grub2 and installing multiple distros on same computer
On 2013-03-12 15:07 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-03-11 22:17 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

Joe Zien wrote:

grub2 is too confusing to use.

No, no it isn't it. It is quite easy.

Your opinion. Grub2 is much like systemd, much more complicated. e.g.
"systemctl isolate graphical.target" (~35 keystrokes) instead of "init
5" (7 keystrokes, 20% fewer) to switch from multiuser to X....

I really do not understand or am simply missing the point or you are a
bit behind the times...... Don't know which, sorry.

Missing the point....

I already mentioned in my post about the new nVidia driver that "init3"
and "init 5" are back and useable.

NOW - I installed 12.3 RC2 without any fiddling so am assuming that it
uses systemd as the default and if so then "init 3" and "init 5" work.

Those init commands are aliases for systemd commands to perform the closest equivalent sysvinit function. It's the long-winded command strings and filenames used by systemd generally that make understanding and using it complicated and tough to learn. The aliases are welcome, but do nothing to solve systemd's wordy design. Systemd complexity as replacement for sysvint broadly parallels the more complex Grub2 as "replacement" for Grub Legacy. There is no significant benefit to using Grub2 on systems what Grub Legacy worked on. Grub Legacy is mature enough to need no maintenance, which means no additional learning, relearning or unlearning as Grub2 requires.

I have a strong feeling that you also use KDE 3 or possibly even KDE 2
and won't budge from it. Am I right?

I could budge if there weren't three blocker bugs[1] preventing my routine use of it, and a bunch of less egregious bugs leaving KDE and TDE easier to use. I do have it installed on nearly half my test installations, KDE3 on nearly half, with XFCE, TDE & LXDE comprising the rest.

[1]
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283366
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297217
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