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Re: [opensuse] 10 days out - 12.3 recommendations
On 07/03/13 22:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2013-03-06 a las 22:26 -0600, Christofer Bell escribió:
On 3/6/13 9:48 PM, "Basil Chupin" <> wrote:
On 07/03/13 07:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:

We want the security patches and maintenance. We do not want new
versions of things, no new features, no unneeded changes. Stability,
not bleeding edge. Conservative, not revolution. A long term support
version, without paying for a expensive commercial version like SLES.

Which is what I thought dd is trying to say: that you want to live in
the past but want to have someone spend their time and effort
maintaining something which is ancient and outdated. I mean if you want
to use old stuff then why not, as I said earlier, just install version,
say, 11.4 and stay with that for 20 years? Why require someone to spend
their time/effort providing you with updates for your old system AS WELL
as providing the exact same for the most uptodate versions? Seems like
a heck of waste of human resources which can be used more productively
elsewhere. But, then, that's my thinking.

You're wrong.


Nobody is talking of 20 years, for instance. One or two years at most. It is similar to what SLES does, for instance, but with lower spectations/effort.

(Jesus, you are making it tuff :-( . In an earlier message I posted a few minutes ago I said I am ending my involvement in this thread - but what you wrote cannot go unpunished! :-) )

*I* am talking about 20 years.

I see no difference in installing a version of oS and using it for 20 years because the statement was made that the people using Evergreen had no interest in the latest; they wanted stability.

Then if you want STABILITY install a version and stick with it for 20 years!

Why do you want someone to spend time and effort to keep your installation going for 2 or 3 years with maintenance updates so that you can call it an Evergreen?!

Install a version and keep running it without any updates or upgrades, other than what comes down thru "Online Updates" or thru "zypper refresh/up", and free any poor overworked person to do other things with his or her time instead of spending the time and effort on something called Evergreen?

I have openSUSE 12.2 installed and it is updated when some new patches etc are available. But it is not called Evergreen. Yet it is kept 'up-to-date'[*].

And there is NOTHING stopping me from using this 12.2 for the next 20 years even though it is no longer supported. It will still work correctly.

I have a copy of XP installed which I installed way back in 2000. Still works perfectly - and I haven't had any updates to it (except for SP2). No problemos.

So, if I can do this with XP why do "you" Evergreeners need to have someone spend time and effort to keep 11.4 up-to-date?

But don't want anything new, you just want to stay with what you had 2 years ago when you first installed 11.4.

Yes? No? Do you really know what you Evergreeners really want? :-)

[*] I tell a teeny-weeny porky here: I install the latest stable kernel, the latest LibreOffice from LO site, and use Firefox and Thunderbird 21.0a1, and a couple of other things which are not available as part of the usual 'online updates'. Which is why I say that my 12.2 is more "bleeding edge".


Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-1 on a system with-
AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor
16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM
Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU

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