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Re: [opensuse] Software Manager (YaST2) - a question about its behaviour
  • From: "LLLActive@xxxxxxx" <LLLActive@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:50:35 +0100
  • Message-id: <4F62480B.5090509@GMX.Net>

As written before: This issue is a non issue to me. I'm able to work
with the YaST package manager front end as it is.

The technical issue is not the point. It is the way things are seen and discussed. For you it may be a non-issue, others are allowed to differ - or not? It is a common problem of most humans not to accommodate the issues of others.

So where is the feature request you filed?

If you all count this feature that important for openSUSE why don't you
go the way we have to go to convince the YaST developers?

"Sorry, I don't have the time." is what we have seen before in this
thread and what I expect as answer to this mail too.

I hope anyone else is able to see the circular type of the
Technically, yes ... between technical specialists on this list? User input unwanted?

At people can vote. Developers and users
can add their comments.

But you guys expect others are doing stuff you like to see happening.
OK, our ideas and 'stuff' are unimportant; not all on the list are able to develop - should we then go and come again when we can code? Where do users go then, if not on a user list? This causes the death of great projects like openSUSE, this attitude scares off users, the ultimate object of the project. If the object is to just turn out excellent code, the project is condemned to 'geekness'. How enlightening ...

Sorry, following this approach must fail.

Yes, it is a pity that users are bracketed to another lists. Won't it be more useful if we all can share ideas with the people creating openSUSE? We common users will try not to frustrate, but just adding to a feature list is not exactly a discussion. Users do not always know how to describe a feature/problem, and need patient engineers to guide them along a conceptual problem solving path to define the ideas. Is this list then only for developers? I thought it was a user list.
Maybe I did not make my point succinctly enough. The technical
solution here is not the point ...

Starting as a young dev engineer in TV broadcasting aeons ago, there
was often the comment from the engineer to a colleague, about the
video producers and sound techs, "I know how it works best, they get
what I can design best". This is mostly the incompetent, but
technically genial, engineer that whats to decide what is best for
the user.
Please keep in mind: I don't have anythibng to do with the YaST development. I'm a community user like you're.
Over the years with the right amount of maturity, this way
of 'believing' is forced to change. Users just use something else
... simple. Pity. Sigh.
Superb! What're you trying to achieve by this? Do you think anyone's blood preasure gets higher?

No, just appealing to some mature acceptance that users are one of our main resources and should be the target for developing openSUSE. No one is interested in the fighting of who is technically right and who is wrong - openSUSE should become the most accepted and user liked product! If that is not the main aim of all what is happening here, what is the point? Users move on - they do not care about internal problems. If the product is user shy, it will be dropped.

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