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Re: [opensuse] Re: Should openSUSE review it's Security Policies?
On 03/05/2012 09:27 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 03/05/2012 08:12 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott<james.knott@xxxxxxxxxx> [03-05-12 08:14]:
Rajko M. wrote:
What you criticize now is actually in part your fault, as you had
a chance to test before 12.1 hit the shelf. Now is late, but you can
try with 12.2 (Factory). Disks are cheap this days and some 20GB for
12.2 will be barely noticeable on your hard disk.

Actually, I did have 12.1 running before "it hit the shelves" and,
did mention this issue.

Then, you *can* provide the bug report number?

Sheesh... I go work on Trinity for a bit and chaos ensues :)

All points well considered, wifi has always been a shortcoming of Linux
desktops[1]. Partly due to the diversity of drivers for the various
hardware and partly due to each distro taking somewhat of a different
approach to scanning and configuring the various interfaces, but most
importantly -- then changing the way they do it every 6 months.

I finally gave up attempting to follow the latest "gee whiz" way of
configuring wireless. What works on gnome doesn't work on kde, what
works with kde, doesn't work on fluxbox, etc.. For opensuse, it all
boils down to a policy question "Are we going to allow non-root users to
configure wireless access?"[2] If so, "how?", and "who's going to do it?"

Thankfully my laptops have used madwifi, so at least all I have needed
to remember on opensuse is[3]:

su # wonder if a normal user would do this?
iwlist wlan0 scan # this is a no..
iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed # ditto for the remainder
iwconfig wlan0 essid "name"
wpa_passphrase "name" "psk_up-to-64-Characters" \
>> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
kill -HUP $(pidof dhcpcd)

Why would anyone want to make this any easier than it already is?
Certainly simple enough for any salesperson to remember and do on their
own :)


[1] yast doesn't help much from a desktop-user standpoint either.
[2] Larry correctly noted that this was standard on KDE3, so reinventing
the wheel this ain't...
[3] curiously, this works well on most distros and with all WMs.


You hit the nail on the head...only: your assumption that an average sales-person can remember the sequence let alone use the "su" command is flawed. The whole issue is that many users are just that: they use the system to produce something. They maybe proficient in video-editing and your not because you know more about the other things (just an example).

Linus has installed the system, Lisa does not know nor care to know the root password. Lisa is a normal user, Linus is not. Point proven.

The problem is not Linux, but the technicians building distros with a technical mind set. Where are the people who care about normal end-users who use the computer as a tool only.

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