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Re: [opensuse] 12.1 fubar windowmanager & displaymanager for Gnome needs fixup
On 12/10/2011 06:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Turns out in my effort to ensure that Network*Manager* would not take the
place of traditional ifup and resolv.conf, I taboo'd too many Network*Manager*
packages, with the result that about 2/3 of a Gnome install was not installed
due to its inane inability to not have NetworkManager complicating life.
/usr/share/xsessions had only 3 files, none of which included the string
'nome'. I don't need to "fix" windowmanager or displaymanager, because Gnome
can be started from KDM3.

Now if only it were so easy to figure out how to get Gnome to unforce DPI to
96 and obey DisplaySize. Text in GTK apps is about 1/8 the size of that in KDE
apps, and gnome-control-center shows no option to do anything about fonts. :-(
Oh, fonts are in gnome-tweak-tool, which won't run without gnome-shell
installed, which doesn't like to be installed due to failed "dependence" on
NetworkManager-gnome. Sheesh.

And then there's no way to set the font scaling to the desired value. It's
adjustable only by slider, which jumps all over the place as you try to get a
desired size, no way to type in the desired value (15/8=187.5%) to match KDE's
automatic computation from X's DisplaySize that computes to 180 DPI (15*12; 12
being a harmonic font multiple, like 96, 120, 144 & 192). The size picked by
the scaler gets buried in the binary ~/.config/dconf/user.

I feel your pain Felix. It makes you wonder... When desktop configuration and setup was damn near perfect 3 years ago, what in the world is going on now? Why must all this "progress" completely destroy the usability of what were simple elegant desktops of both kde and gnome?

For the love of god, you can't even set the theme in gnome shell, or mouse or much of anything else useful in the default control panel provided in gnome 3 much less the fact that it now cannot even create a semiusable gui with the fallback=1 nightmare.

The point being for all the devs out there, you might have the coolest new gee-whiz desktop widget plasma thing, but when it cripples or destroys the simple setup process or renders the desktop unusable without 4 hours of research for a workaround to problem "X" or "Y", then the desktop is NOT ready to be released -- period.

Felix, I haven't tried it on 12.1, but if Ilya has done as good a job with KDE3 for 12.1 as he did for 11.4, just install KDE3 and be done with it and continue to wait for the latest, greatest gee-whiz versions of the desktops to mature enough to be usable.

If actual history is a reliable indicator, then we may be waiting for a very long time... Recall the first "Official" "non-beta" release of 4.0.4 with 11.1 on June 4, 2008? Well, it is December 12, 2011 and we are at 4.7.4 and we are still not completely there...

I'm all for "progress" as long as progress actually works and isn't simply a 'cobble the code together the best you can by date "X" to meet the schedule for release "Y" so there is something called desktop "Z" in the distribution.' Desktop "Z" should work and be fully functional on all boxes the distro is supposed to run on or it shouldn't be included in the distro... Ship the last fully functional version of desktop Z instead.

David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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