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Re: [opensuse] grub no longer being maintained? so Suse drops support for XFS boot?
  • From: "Brian K. White" <brian@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:01:01 -0400
  • Message-id: <4A37A59D.1070903@xxxxxxxxx>

Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:

Like learning to drive a stick, it becomes second nature before too
long. Grub really can be that easy, which may be why the devs decided
"supporting Lilo" was pointless.

Felix, using the same argument, when lilo really is that easy, why
wasn't it kept? No, that argument doesn't hold water.

Because lilo simply can not do things grub can do.
lilo is valuable primarily because options are valuable even if they are inferior options. Not because it works better or is simpler or has any advantages over grub. It's merely a different thing and it works a different way, a cruder, simpler, less flexible way, but simply because it's different there will be oddball cases here & there where the crude way works but the user can't figure out how to make the new way work.

The difference is more like this: grub is a typical modern furnace with gas or oil fuel lines, igniter, thermocouple, thermostat, a whole complex system that breaks down once in a while and is a mystery to many. Lilo is a fire in the middle of your cave.
The cave men sure never had to worry about a clogged oil burner nozzle or a dead 24vac transformer to operate the thermostat, or bad bearings in the blower motor, etc etc. All that fancy new way stuff.

Do you really want to be saying "A simple fire in the middle of the living room is so much better. It always just works." ?
That's essentially what anyone saying lilo is better is saying. They understand a fire, they don't understand a heating system, therefore a fire is a superior way to heat your house.

The _option_ to drop back to simply burning your furniture is valuable merely as an option, but how valuable really? Is it worth sucking up developers time that could be spent on something more useful? Not to me. That could be a whole persons new full-time job for life just trying to make another bootloader work safely in all the bizarre possible ways that people set up their systems. I'd rather spend a few minutes learning the basics of grub operation the same way I once had to learn the mysteries of lilo operation, and let some opensuse developer work on one of the zillion _actual problems_ elsewhere in the OS. Especially when you remember that this option is always available regardless what the bootloader section of yast does. If you are in a position where you know how to make lilo do what you need, you can always do so with a live cd. No one is stopping you.

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