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Re: Third party and non-GPL drivers was Re: [opensuse] wireless doesn't work in suse 11 RC1
  • From: "John Andersen" <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:43:21 -0700
  • Message-id: <60fb01490806041143q2a501d6fj7363be8916168fa3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:07 AM, G T Smith
<grahamsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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John Andersen wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:31 AM, G T Smith
<grahamsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ubuntu may be bending the rules, but there is little mileage in anyone
taking them on as there is not a lot to be gained (not a lot in bank),

That's a pretty serious allegation you've made there.
Do you have anything to back it up?


What allegation!?

The allegation you made when you said they may be "Bending the rules".
You then ASSUMED they were violating a copyright and waived it away
by claiming they are small fry not worth anyone's attention.

Now you want to come back and claim plausible deny-ability?

Shuttleworth has very deep pockets. Some un named company in
Redmond, WA is fond of back dooring money to anyone who will
attack Linux.

There is simply no case there. Connonical is not violating any
copyrights.

And their method of getting these drivers to the end user does not
bring the GPL to bear on the driver software.

Face it, its a perfectly legal and beautiful solution to a big problem
with Linux,
and one that OpenSuse/Novel could emulate/copy/adopt. But Novel has
NIH syndrome here.





Ubuntu uses a "Restricted Driver Management" tool to install
proprietary drivers only after the user specifically requests the
install. These drivers are not in the normal repositories.


Hang on a minute... just what is the build service, packman etc etc??..
different approach same result.... in your originally post you seemed to
be implying something rather different....

Not same result. How can you possible claim this given the number of
thread about Nvidia and ATI drivers on these lists over the last 2 years?

What about the flood of "wireless doesn't work" posts ever single week?

OpenSuse mentions other repositories on their web page (bracketed with
suitably scary language) but really offers NO HELP and NO TOOL to install
these drivers.

Ubuntu asks if you want them and then goes out an fetches them and
installs them. (I'm not actually sure what they do in the case of a
wireless only machine with no wireless drivers on the CD).

Its a whole different approach and it works.

Try Ubuntu someday. Its an excellent novice Distro.
It caters to the new Linux user without throwing them
to the wolves, by pointing them to the
bewildering morass of the "build service".


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