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Re: [opensuse] World-largest Linux Migration Project
  • From: Sam Clemens <clemens.sam1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:28:48 -0400
  • Message-id: <47F5CAA0.5000104@xxxxxxxxx>
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 20:31 -0400, Sam Clemens wrote:

That's mostly due to M$ bundling Word with new machines
to drive WP out of the market (making Word *appear* to
be free, whereas WP would cost extra.)

The whole purpose of this, of course, was to eliminate
a very popular cross-platform application, thereby
driving everyone into Windows whether they wanted to
be there or not.

Devil's advocate here:

I wonder what a pay-for-it software company thinks of Linux distros
including 'free' apps automatically? It must do to them what MS did to

Who cares?
It means that if they want people to pay for their software,
it will take something more than the standard bug-ware
which has become standard within so much of the industry.

Back in the 1980's most software companies would have been
absolutely aghast at the concept of daring to charge money
for software with so many horrendous, glaring bugs and
crashes as is typical in modern software.

It's quite pathetic.

So, seriously, I don't care what they think.

WP and others.

Years ago, IBM was every bit as much of a bullying criminal
enterprise in this industry as MS is now. [And Gates has
absolutely no excuse for most of Microsoft's behavior,
because the precedents for these practices being illegal
were set by IBM's string of losses on charges filed by
the DOJ, and most of all William Gates, Jr. (Billy's
father) WAS A CORPORATE LAWYER AT IBM. So I find his
string of protestations that he's not doing anything wrong
to be so much dishonest bullshit.]

Anyways, IBM hired some guy Gestetner, who really turned
the IBM corporate culture around...from one which really
pioneered the FUD and vendor lock-in techniques which are
so infamously abused by MS the good citizen
corporation which we see today.

Read Thomas Watson Jr.'s autobiography.
Even before they were dragged into court, and convicted,
people at IBM new they were doing wrong -- salesmen,
for lack of a better term.. "cockblocked" sales from
competing vendors, by claiming that whatever product
the customer was about to buy from whoever, that IBM
had a similar product in testing "right now" and would
be released shortly.... and then sending the message
back to engineering to get cracking and come up with
SOMETHING so that the sales force wouldn't be exposed
for the bald faced liars that they were.

TW Jr. knew about it, and in fact, it was company
policy to sell the client on the vaporware hardware,
for no other reason than to starve the competition
of income.

His excuses in federal court were just as lame as
Gates' excuses have been in these same courts.

If MS was smart, they would make a Linux version of Word
that must be purchased just so they could take Linux distros to court
for including things like OO. Make Linux distros stop including all this
free software that is locking folk into Linux. :)

Fortunately, MS is contractually prohibited from selling
any Unix or Unix-like OS. It has something to do with
when they sold off Xenix.

And at this point, for them to market a *nix-like OS
would completely remove all airs of legitimacy from
Windows as anything other than an overpriced platform
for playing video games.
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