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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository
  • From: Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:42:55 +0100
  • Message-id: <459A453F.1060506@xxxxxxxxx>
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jdd wrote:
> Pascal Bleser wrote:
>
>> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1
>
> I can't agree with such assertion.
>
> I don't know about smart (safe for your numerous mails) and don't want
> to unless it becomes the official openSUSE tool

You don't know about smart, so why are you giving your opinion anyway.

> I use daily 10.1 and yast/zen works perfectly for me. the initial
> problems are gone.

I can definitely see the opposite on #suse every day.

Syncing to ZMD is a big pain and makes the repository metadata updating
a lot slower + the architecture is braindead and very error-prone in the
first place. As long as syncing like that will be involved, there will
always be major issues with it.
And ZMD's behavior as a process is still horrible.

ZMD got less worse on 10.2 but it's still a brain-dead concept.

> don't forget zen in the main Novell product and will probably stay so,
> so we can only expect enhancements for it and permanent use through the
> new openSUSE releases.

I sure hope we can push for the ZMD backend *not* being the default
option on 10.3.
At least on 10.2 you can more or less easily switch to the zypp backend
instead of zmd, but unfortunately the ZMD backend is still the default.

Zen being "in the main Novell product" doesn't mean we can't fix it.

> I think we should better learn zen and debug it if necessary than
> switch for an other system, that is not bugfree (as nobody can be)

The zypp backend works a lot better than the ZMD backend.
And, as I wrote above, the ZMD backend will always be broken as it is by
design.
It involves using a lot more resources, a misbehaving daemon that takes
a lot of CPU and RAM, duplicating repository metadata between yast and
ZMD, ...

With the zypp backend there's no duplication nor syncing.

> I don't mean _you_ won't have to advertise smart, but don't take it
> anyway "semi-official" as you do

What is "semi-official" supposed to be ?
And where have you seen me being "semi-official" ?
Referencing pages on opensuse-community.org ?
Well, it's not "semi official", it's 100% "unofficial", which is the
whole point of the opensuse-community.org wiki.

My advice: make yourself a favor and dump ZMD in favor of the zypp
backend or smart.

cheers
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