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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
  • From: Jim Flanagan <linuxjim@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:20:32 -0600
  • Message-id: <4570D4E0.6050400@xxxxxxxxxx>
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Not sure whether you have seen these reactions, especially the first
two from Ubuntu folks are interesting to read:

http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=113
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022578.html
http://www.novell.com/coolblogs/?p=648
http://daniel.molkentin.de/blog/index.php?/archives/58-Ubuntus-Quest-for-OpenSUSE-Developers.html
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2553


Andreas

http://www.novell.com/coolblogs/?p=648


SuSE's great engineering...!

That's what I'm talking about. This is what, I for one, really like about suse. It is really good. Solid and tight. And literally packed full of almost anything you could want or think of. If it ain't in there, download it or make it yourself. It ain't perfect, but it's dang good. I"m not so sure about the other guys good marketing (I have yet to get ubuntu to boot on my office machine, 3 versions later). I mean, suse really looks good to me. It took quite a while, but I find among many windows boxes, I really like using suse with kde. Its good. Has its quirks, but most do. It just took a while to get used to. I truly like it. (Haven't seen the new menus others are complaining about. But if its kde I'm sure you can change it in a snap). One of the first things I got used to very quickly was just everyday surfing. Firefox is good, so is Opera, and Konqueror but I'm not used to it on the web.(Konqueror does do one heck of an ftp download). And with the piece of mind of a much reduced risk of being effected by the mass of rot there is out there. Windows guys, can you say safe?

Many other things start to stand out once you get the feel of it. It is different. Installing apps, whoa! You mean you can't just double-click it? What kind of deal is this? But for a newbie that's probably good. They can't change too many things at first and screw stuff up. It is powerful machinery. As you learn it, it gets easier. And as an added bonus you get to learn much more about computers in general than you ever knew about. Even if you think you know something about computers. I am of course talking about coming from windows here, although you can learn here wherever you come from.


I was thinking about Balmer's comments at the Professional Association for SQL Server conference. At first I could not believe that. I didn't need to read upcoming news stories to see that that was a double slap in the face. The gaul of those people, I was thinking. I mean, do they continually spit out all this goop that they actually believe it, or more, that they are so used to spitting out all of this stuff about their actual software (how well its built, safe, secure, blah blah blah) that they just are really used to doing that. Spewing. But now I think that they actually really don't care much. They just throw this bullshite out there just because. Bust because they can. And just for the fun of it. They don't care one way or another. They throw it out there, and if they get the reaction they wanted, so much the better. I mean with all of this stuff out here in the lists of all the angry discussions, the fracturing of some of our community. If they beat us on that, they will say that was easy. But if we stay our course (with upcoming changes big and small; thats what this community is best at. Change), well then - they will have to compete on technology, not fud, mud, or drud.

Actually compete.

One thing that was made clear is that they intend to compete. Compete, compete, compete. Sha.

Thats why I like suse. It is great engineering! The base is solid, the trimmings are nice, the distro is complete, best in breed configuration, and leading edge. What more could you ask for? Truly? That's why 'they' picked Novell. Suse is good. What an endorsement. Or what a threat. Who cares? Lets just do what we do. Let the people at novell who do the selling, sell. I don't know you guys, but knock yourselves out! I'm looking for a good, long term growth, stock to buy. Actually more than one, but that's another story :) Someone here said that that's what we wanted novell to do, make it commercial. Make it a commercial success. Let help them. For better or worse, we're here now. Lets get it on. I'm no developer TSTL. But is use it, and tweak it a bit. And tried installing gnome to check that out, and i started a server with email and web services, then i replaced it with a better server, only set up better. PIII. Other than slow graphics, that thing humms, and is as steady as a rock in the rain. Never stutters. At least not so far. Astounding what's in there. Truly.

Well, sorry for the length. I just wanted to say that as long as Andreas and his group is hyped, i'm with him. I'll upgrade when I'm convinced, as before. Till then, there is no reason to change a thing. If suse dorks, well I'll change then. At this point I don't intend to. As long as it keeps getting better, I'm a happy man. And I'll go on doing my meager part of merely enjoying the use of it. I'm looking forward to 10.2. If you are a windows user, how long has it been since you've set down at your computer, and knew exactly where it was at, what it was doing, not worrying for an instant that is wasn't doing exactly the same thing was doing 6 months ago. Gives me peace of mind. 'Works great / more secure'. Sounds like a beer commercial.

Anyway, I've been in suse since 8.2. Good issue, but many great advances since then as well. I think that is why this news has hit some of us so hard. We know how good suse is, esp compared to others distros. We just don't want to see this great technology be lead by its owners (current or otherwise) to be less that its potential. I for one am staying with it. To me the upside of what suse can be is worth more to me than the cost of changing at this point. There is something special with suse and its community. Somehow it came to be the best, but without the most hype or press, to say the least. There is something special in that.

I'm with Andreas and this community.

Jim Flanagan
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