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Re: [opensuse] The state of openSUSE
  • From: SOTL <s0tl155360@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:45:21 -0400
  • Message-id: <44BF88F1.4020400@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Kunael wrote:

I'm completely agree with you. An add one more: I've got the feeling that one mistake has been try to include more than enough things. So, we've several examples (IMHO), such as:

- Packet management. YaST (packet manager module), YUM, Smart, APT4RPM, Kick.. ¿are really needed all of these? Sometimes I feel it as a joke. I think the way is concentrate the efforts in _ONE_ package management solution.

- YaST. Without any kind of doubts, YaST has been, is and will the main strengh of SUSE. So... ¿Is it recieved the needed atention and developing improvement? Personally, I don't see a great improvements since 8.2/9.0 versions.

I repeat: IMHO. Obviously I appreciate sincerely the efforts of developers (SUSE team and contributors from community) but there're things to improve.
So, I throw a hard question to resolve:

¿Why Ubuntu is more popular tha SUSE despite thier young life?

Simple Ubuntu will install on all sort of hardware that OpenSuSE and SuSE will not.

Some will disagree but then there concept of what is meant by install is very different than most people.

I have an IBM Thinkpad A30P. Recall here that IBM is a very big supporter of Linux.
Fortunately I purchased a second HD for test purposes as commercial SuSE 10.1 on first attempt installation did not install a win modem, the Fn key does not work, the F1 to F12 keys do not work, UV does not work, and since I did the installation with connecting the computer to DSL there is no way to add a DSL connection or wireless connection.

In short SuSE 10.1 is only half finished suitable only for desktops which raises a very profound managemental question (that is managemental question to punchasers of SuSE products) : Why would I (as a manager) purchase technical support from a company that is so incompetent that their wham bang operating system will not install on my laptop. Windows does and it works just fine thus there must be something drastically wrong with that trash so our firm will just stick to Windows.

Now there are some that will be appalled at that attitude but that is precisely the attitude that corporate executives have.

The answer to your question is simple SuSE 10.1 is half finished.

This was noted by myself at the OpenSuSE 10.1 Beta 8 level and a full and detail bug report was issued by myself after at Beta 9. Email back from SuSE stated that the issue with the modem was that the modem is not open source and would be included in the commercial version. Purchase of the commercial version by myself and installation on a test HD gave the above noted results and this after Mandrake 10.1 installed and worked and still does on the normal HD used in the computer. Now just think what would be my attitude toward having SuSE migrate a corporate IT department to Linux away from Windows if I was some high level corporate executive. Personally I can assure you that I would be much more impressed with a system that would install even if it crashed daily than one that refuses to install.

So what is the problem? Simple there are developers who have the ability to developer which means daily change and there are users who have interest which demand complete stability and no change in the system and a fully functional operating system with a minimum of hassle. The developers are in aw with how great the latest Linux features are while the users are horrified at their inability to make Linux work and the constant change. On a practical matter change should be limited to the Internet and downloads. Commercial level CD should be rock solid stable and install on anything. Which is not the situation so sophisticated users simply go elsewhere Ubuntu.

Maybe the response of that question can help the grow and improving of our community.


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