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RE: [SLE] Do you buy the boxed set this time around?
  • From: "Greg Wallace" <gregwallace@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:12:52 -0500
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On Sunday, April 02, 2006 @ 5:15 AM, David Wright wrote:

>Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 10:41 schrieb Per Jessen:
>> Greg Wallace wrote:
>> > Then again, I don't recall whether the downloads were actually a
>> > "legitimate" way of obtaining the product or not,
>>
>> If downloading SUSE Linux was not legitimate, why would Novell be
>> offering that possibility? AFAI have understood, Novell/SUSE/Redhat
>> and other distro-vendors cannot charge anyone for the actual software
>> (because it doesn't belong to them), and instead they are somehow
>> obliged to make it freely available for download. I'm not sure exactly
>> how this works though - I don't recall Novell making SLES available for
>> download? SLES is effectively just another distro with a different
>> support scheme/model.

>They have to make the source code available - and that only to those that
>have
>"purchased" the product. So it depends on the business model of the company

>in question as to whether the compiled and packaged product is available
for
>free (look at Amstrad, they launched the a Linux based Email terminal, and
to
>get the source code you had to include the purchase receipt and some money
>(25UKP ISTR) and they would send the code to you).

>They can assemble the pieces together in a unique form with branding,
>manuals
>etc. and charge for it, whether that be a download or a bunch of CD's/DVD's

>in a box from a shop.

>They can put a version up for download if they want to, or they can just
>sell
>the retail version... Novell provide the OSS and Eval versions for free
>download.

>Previous versions of SUSE had a lot of non-OSS packages, which was why the
>retail and download versions were very different, the download versions
could
>only include the packages that were freely distributable... They are now
>working towards making the product more "pure" with just OSS software on
teh
>main distribution disks/images and non-OSS software is relegated to CD 6 or

>the retail DVD.

I see, I think. So if it's not open source then they can't put it out for
people to do free downloads but can only include it in the retail version
(and make some payment back to the author(s) for their non-OSS products that
they are selling). For open source, it's strictly up to Novell as to
whether they want to allow free downloads or only distribute it retail. I
hope I have this right. Seems logical.

>SLES costs a lot more, but you are paying for prolonged support and
security
>updates, as well as the work they've put into the server management tools.

> > though it would seem that Novell would not be in the business of
> > giving away something they were simultaneously selling(?).
>
> They're not. They're giving away the software/distro, but what they're
> selling is their value-add (manual, support, packaging etc.).
>
>
> /Per Jessen, Z├╝rich

>Dave



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