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Re: [SLE] An apology to the list
  • From: John B <yonaton@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:42:42 -0600
  • Message-id: <200503031142.42846.yonaton@xxxxxxx>
On Thursday 03 March 2005 07:50, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
> On Thursday 03 March 2005 06:42, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Kevanf1 <kevanf1@xxxxxxxxx> [03-03-05 04:36]:
> > > In which case we don't have a democratic list?
> >
> > That *is* correct. The list is a service provided by SuSE for the
> > discussion about SuSE Linux in English
>
> I think we all agree here.
>
> > and subject to their whim.
>
> I certainly hope this is not true. Any company which set rules for their
> *customers* on a whim will not last. While they are the list administrators
> the list is provided for our benefit. This is our list. We support the
> product, we contribute code, and we pay the salaries of the management and
> some of the coders with our purchases and subscriptions. We have every
> right to let them know when we are happy/unhappy with one of their
> policies.
>
> > > It is my belief that if a problem is identified in a mailing list then
> > > it should be discussed. The reason for this thread.
> >
> > Did you read the "WELCOME to suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx" mail you received
> > when you subscribed?
> >
> > <quote>
> > Q7. Why do my replies go to the original poster and not the list?
> > A7. There is a more complete answer in FAQ, but the short answer
> > is that it's better this way. Trust us on this one, please.
> > </quote>
>
> It been awhile since I got the "Welcome" message and I don't remember
> seeing this. In any case, I find this patronizing.
>
> > and from the suse-linux-e-faq@xxxxxxxx
> >
> > <quote>
> > Q2. Why do my replies go to the original poster and not the list?
> > A2. We do not "munge" the mail headers by inserting
> > a "Reply-To: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx" because it makes it more
> > difficult subscribers to handle the mail the way they want to.
> > Your mail client probably has a "reply" function as well as a
> > "reply to all" or "reply to list" one; Please use the latter if
> > you want you message to go to the list and not just to the
> > original poster.
>
> As previously discussed, many popular mail clients don't have this feature.
> Their way is in fact more difficult and inconvenient for many users and
> this reasoning is no longer valid. Standards evolve and if "munging" has
> become the standard, which it apparently has, then it's time this list
> started following it.
>
> > Also, please don't complain about this on the list, it has
> > been discussed many, many, many times in the past already.
>
> Did it ever occur to them that if they were getting lots of complaints that
> there might be a problem? Perhaps they should tell us *who* we should
> complain to. Someone with the authority to make a decision on this and not
> the/dev/null of the postmaster.
>
> > For background information see
> > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> >
> > New! Even Sourceforge has turned to the dark side:
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693&group_id=1
> > </quote>
>
> This is actually amusing in a sad way. Even the administrator admits this
> configuration is the "dark side". I think the list admin would be wise to
> take a survey of members (read *customers*) and see which way suits our
> needs best. If that means it stays the way it is, so be it.
>
> > > I further believe that if enough members - the majority who are willing
> > > to stand up and actually say something (useful) - wish a change to be
> > > made then that change should be seriously investigated and perhaps put
> > > to a vote. Nothing should ever be set absolutely in stone things do
> > > evolve after all.
> >
> > Again, is not negotiable.
>
> Ah, but this is a business, and in business, Patrick, everything is
> negotiable.
>
> Jeff

<PLONK> Idiot.

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