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Re: [SLE] unsubscription
  • From: Brad Bourn <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:46:42 -0700
  • Message-id: <200503100846.42489.brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx is a mailing list. The *convention* on mailing lists
> is to bottom post and trim quotes. No, it's not a rule, and you're free to
> break it. You then look like an idiot. As someone said just a few days
> ago, "When in Rome, do as Romans do". Most of the people on this list
> behave according to decades-old nettiquite rules. Therefore, when here,
> it's preferable to behave as everone else does - acting differently
> (top-posting) will lose you more than it will gain. The only reason to do
> so is if you're a stubborn moron. Feel free to be a stubborn moron, I
> suppose, but don't be surprised if you're treated as a stubborn moron. :)
> (presently, I'm leaning towards just "stubborn").

When someone stands up to a stubborn moron, it will usually get them labeled
as one.

> > In fact I see them more often than
> > not answered by just as knowlegable top-posters,
> This is an oxymoron. The knowledgable people follow the list conventions.

It would take a little more knowledge to get past "only people like me are
knowledgable". You'll get there.

> > It has been my experience both relying on the open-source community and
> > contributing to it for my living for the past 5 years since i was brought
> > to the light, that it is easier to navigate search results in google to
> > find what your looking for when people top-post and full quote. you can
> > usually find the whole conversation in one place.
> So, when reading, you prefer to start at the end of the conversation and
> read backwards? That is opposite of the convention used in much of the
> Western world. Would you also prefer to read right to left? I've found
> that, while making my living in the Open Source community for the last 10
> years, it's easier to read bottom-quoted mesages on web archives. I've
> been doing it for twice as long, so my opinion is twice as important. So
> there. :)

Your not really saying anything here. But I love the humor!

How does top posting and full quoting differ from trimmed middle/bottom
quoting for reading from end to begining.

When you trim, you trim the beginning. So there isn't one. You HAVE to start
from the middle or end and go backwards, only now to other messages instead
of the one your in.

> Regardless, breaking conventions in order to accommodate poorly-designed
> mail archives is just bad practice. There exist several quality mail
> archive systems that display a full thread above or below the message being
> read. I find that type of system combined with bottom-posted, trimmed
> replies to be more useful, as sometimes more than one person contributes to
> a thread, and therefore the whole thread will not be included in a single
> message even with bandwidth-wasting full quotes and/or top-posting.

So you prefer your style because of the system you use. So do I.

> Contextual quoting and in-line replying is occasionally very useful. Such
> as in this message (and your message to which I'm replying).
> > takes up too much space/speed? give me a break! this is text!
> Everyone in the world has 1.5Mb uncapped downloads and 2GHz machines with
> 22" monitors and 1.5GB RAM, so why optimize anything? Oh, wait, lots of
> those "newbies" that are "so important" are also on modems, sometimes even
> in places where they have to pay per-minute charges.

You know what I meant. Your one of the knowledgable people, remember?

> Oh, and the contraction for "you are" is "you're". "Your" means something
> else. HTH,

I hate English! I'm the ferst to admit I ain't good at it!

> --Danny, who doesn't understand why it's so difficult for some people to
> just follow the damned convention - bitching isn't gonna change anything

B-), who doesn't understand why it is so difficult for some people not go out
of their way to bitch and allow people to contribute.

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