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Re: [SLE] Sorry SuSE: 9.1 is Waste of time and money!
  • From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:13:35 +0100
  • Message-id: <40BB83DF.1060900@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Frederic Soulier wrote:

On Sunday 30 May 2004 19:59, Sid Boyce wrote:

Frederic Soulier wrote:

On Sunday 30 May 2004 16:10, C Hamel wrote:

On Sunday 30 May 2004 07:07, Jyry Kuukkanen wrote:


On Sun, 30 May 2004, adham hashibon wrote:

I am not sure, but I think the blame for most of this stuff
might lies in the subfs package, since I removed it, all is
great for me... Someone is Suse should take this seriously and
fix the subfs_/hotplug combination, it sucks to the bones..

9.1 is a disaster, it should never have been released. I already
had to switch to Mandrake 10.0.

You think SuSE 9.1 should never have been released. I could add to
this that Mandrake 10.0 should never have been released and FC2
should never have been released.
My take is its all due to the kernel 2.6.x being very new.
No wonder Slackware is sticking to kernel 2.4.x for their next

In order to fix as many bugs in 2.6.x as possible the kernel must
be widely used and therefore packaged by the various distros so
it gets to the end user who becomes unwillingly(?) a tester ;)

The 2.6 kernel is not all that new, except in the headlines. I've
been using it since 2.6.0-pre on SuSE 9.0, with the odd problem of
a few modules not automatically being loaded, but that was about
all. SuSE 9.1 cleared that all up.
There is the distinct impression that they released too soon, but
the kernel has nothing to do with it.
Running stably on 2.6.7-rc2 released by Linus last night.

I'm running happily 2.6.4-54.5-default but the driver for my USB cam (cpia) doesn't work because of 2.6.x, it was fine in 2.4.x
Also I need firewire for a couple of HDs and my iPod and 3 distros I've tried have 3 different behaviour...
Mandrake 10.0 - all ok
SuSE 9.1 - only 1 HD recognize (HDs on 1 cable as master & slave)
FC2 - firewire not even activated

I'm sure 2.6.x works fine for many but it's likely to have more cases where people find something is not working or the driver is not up-to-date compared to 2.4.x which is fair as 2.6.0 has been released officially 6 months ago and 2.4.0 has been released 3 1/2 years ago!

I still strongly believe that Mandrake 10.0, SuSE 9.1 and FC2 are a (necessary) huge test for 2.6.x as it gets widely deployed to the end-user.
Do I disagree with that? Not really. Open source development relies a lot on the end-user for feedback.

I don't use subfs as it's not part of the standard kernel and some reports suggest problems due to it. 2.4.2x has many things backported from 2.6.x and there are issues with the latest 2.4.x kernels, but I'd agree that the early 2.4.x are likely to be the most stable kernels around. If Suse or Mandrake had released 2.4 kernels as the standard in 9.1 and 10.0 respectively, I'd still use 2.6 kernels instead. If there is a problem with 2.6, it's probably due to the distro add-ons, not 2.6 per se.

Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer
Linux Only Shop.

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