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Re: [SLE] Fwd: Re: [SLE] Linux Commercial Idea as a flop.
  • From: Jeffrey Taylor <jeff.taylor@xxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:07:08 -0500
  • Message-id: <20010513100708.F9614@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I might agree with Jean-Paul's point in general, but I feel that
everyone with Internet access, dialup or broadband, needs a firewall.
For the simple case of one IP address, no intranet, and no servers,
that should not be too hard. Plug and Play should be available to all
without a CS degree.

Linux requires and rewards educating yourself about it. This does not
justify abusive developers or software.

Just my $0.02USD,

Quoting Faessen Jean-Paul <faessen.godin@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux Commercial Idea as a flop.
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:11:22
> From: "Purple Shirt" <purpleshirt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >From: Curtis Rey <crrey@xxxxxxxx>
> >To: Jonathan Drews <j.e.drews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Yuri K
> ><koroby398@xxxxxxxxx>
> >CC: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux Commercial Idea as a flop.
> >Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 03:38:21 -0500
> >
> >As a newbie/Linux novice I can agree with the point about not wanting to
> >deal
> >with "broken apps and half baked stuff". I already have a degree in health
> >care and really don't relish returning to school to learn how to setup and
> >run my OS.
> >I chose Linux because a) It gets me away from M$ (don't get me started on
> >XP/.NET/Hailstorm) and b) because I learn something about the thing I spend
> >most of my time with-the computer. Sure, I would like to learn
> >programming.
> >But I don't want to do so to make it my profession.
> >It's just like medicine. You teach your patient about health care and
> >taking
> >care of themselves. However, you don't expect then to mix there own IV
> >solutions or run their own X-ray machine. It's similar with designing an
> >OS
> >that is to be used by the general public.
> >Open Source is wonderful because the makers can design a system to meet
> >their
> >desires. But, if you want the general public to get behind it and
> >support/use
> >it you'll have to make function on their level. Linux is getting close to
> >this and still gets its geek underpinnigs (geek is not to be taken as
> >derogatory).
> >It will become widely accepted when the common user doesn't have to
> >consider
> >taking night classes in comp sci in order to set up a firewall.
> >
> See this is where I think the newbies get it wrong. I understand your
> argument about how one person doesn't have to be a MD to perform small task
> healthcare on yourself.
> But here is the problem. Does Linux fit this bill? Yeah in Windows you can
> push and click your way through things but in Linux the console and commands
> in my mind are unavoidable. Plus they are the most powerful enttiies which
> come with a Unix OS. And you mentioned a person shouldn't have to know how
> to work an IV. I consider a firewall a highly sophisticated instrument and I
> do not think it is the duty of the programming community to spend ten years
> on the development of a utility til they finally managed to make it usable
> by every person out there. Firewalls I think belong in the domain of the
> more educated computer professionals. Now if SuSE thinks its their job to
> break this barrier then go ahead but I don't believe in this. I doubt a
> person would get much support from any government to run a business which
> teaches 'PlugnPlay IVs' to the general public. I support the fact to improve
> things but I am choosy about what should be improved simply because of the
> reward we get for the investment done.
> mk
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