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[opensuse-wiki] Content namespaces
by Rajko M. 05 May '10

05 May '10

Looking http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Statistics there is only 10 articles of content, out of 688 (subject to change :) It seems that only Main namespace is declared as content namespace. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgContentNamespaces -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wrong capitalization in wiki.o.o
by Petr Uzel 03 May '10

03 May '10

Hi all, I noticed that quite a lot of articles recently migrated to wiki.o.o have bad [1] title capitalization (Camel Case). If there are no objections, I'll go through all the articles, fix capitalization (article title and section titles) and _delete_ the redirects. [1] according to http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Style#Title Petr -- Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team IRC: ptr_uzl @ freenode

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[opensuse-wiki] Working on transition: CSS 2010-04-26;
by Rajko M. 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Support Attempt to bring right column to the top of the article, removing need for Navbar template, is spoiled with something that doesn't let right column go to the top. Tag <div style="width:100%; clear:both;"> on the top, lowers left column and leaves 2 empty lines between title and first frame. After few attempts to compact source text I still have no idea what is preventing right column to start from the top. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Review of the transition process
by Daniel Gollub 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

Hello, as you might know B1 Systems GmbH is a proud sponsor of the openSUSE project. We got contacted by some of the openSUSE Board member regarding supporting the opensuse wiki transition ... so here we are! Philipp, Michael and myself already had a brief look on the Transition Guildelines: http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_guidelines And already tried to move some already reviewed pages to the new instance. But we all really struggled with the current version of the Transition guidelines. In my opinion it's way to complex and requires way too much time to study all those guidelines before actually starting with the transition (Anyone really read all those Guidelines?!). In fact it was so confusing to me that i asked Henne for a meeting to give me the big-picture of the wiki transition. So the summary of this meeting is mostly: The current Transition Guidelines is a bit to complex for casual volunteers. (Btw. in Step1 and Step2 are instructions which sound to me redundant) The focus of the transition should be: Move (popular) content of the old-wiki in the right namespaces. There are basically three namespace which fit for 99% of the relevant content to transfer: Main-Namespace aka. / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Url: http://wiki.opensuse.org/$Article Which is intended for "Product" (openSUSE Distribution(s) and affiliations) presentation/showcase. One might think of a brochure - for people which are completely new to openSUSE and maybe "Linux" and want to get informed about the great distribution. And not which 100-line-bash-assembler-workaround and 2.5-firmware-patches and thirdparty kmps are required to get the latest webcam-chip running. So this might be one of the most important and namespaces which requires high quality content and regular maintenance. To make maintenance easier the number of pages might should be limited to a reasonable level. Quality, instead of quantity! In short: a potential user interested in openSUSE SDB-Namespace ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Url: http://wiki.opensuse.org/SDB:$Article This namespace might contain in the new instance most articles. (hennes guess was approx. 95% of the old wiki) This namespace is intended for: - HOWTOs - support instruction for common problems - setup instructions/guides ... directly related to the openSUSE Distribution(s). In short: stuff a plain-user would be interested. openSUSE-Namespace ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Url: http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:$Article This namespace contains: - Developments (Buildservice, Yast API details, ...) - Contributions (How to contribute a bug, artwork, ...) - Project-Organizational stuff (Board, ...) ... related to the openSUSE Distribution/Project. Contains _not_: distribution HOWTOs, Instructions, ... In short: content which is relevant for opensuse contributors, testers, developers .. and everything which is beyond a regular user. -- End of Namespaces -- Philipp, Michael and me are going to take the top 500 populare pages from the old instance and will assign them to the relevant namespaces. So casual volunteers don't have to puzzle which namespace is the right namespace. For the initial transition i would suggest to: - transfer the article to the right namespace (as written on the list we're going to provide) - with correct spelling/capitalization of the article name (URL) - adapt templates if needed That's all. That's should be a pretty simple instruction - and nearly none openSUSE Wiki-Background or Wikipedia-Guidelinde-Diploma is required. All further migration/transition listed items ... - "migrate the opensuse:Wiki Guidelines" - "migrate the standardized template" - detailed review of correct typesetting ("format check" and "content check") - "Ensure that title capitalization is lowercase" - "Use a navigation bar if required" (???) - "Ensure that articles are correctly categorized" (categorize != namespace.) # Is there already a list of predefined categorize? If not -> postpone ... of the process (from Step1 and 2) should be optional or done after the initial transition. For "Step 1: Article review" i would suggest to stop this step and just do brief "openSUSE relevant"- and obsolete-checks. And do more fine grain content and format checks as described in "Step 1" once the initial transition is done. Otherwise i doubt the review and transition will be ready by 1st June. Sorry, for this long mail - but I'm sure if you managed to read all those guidelines you're able to read this "long" mail. It's just an idea - if you don't like it we can try to adapt to your current process. Best Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Gollub Geschaeftsfuehrer: Ralph Dehner FOSS Developer Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg B1 Systems GmbH Amtsgericht: Ingolstadt Handelsregister: HRB 3537 EMail: gollub(a)b1-systems.de http://www.b1-systems.de Adresse: B1 Systems GmbH, Osterfeldstraße 7, 85088 Vohburg http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xED14B95C2F8CA78D

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[opensuse-wiki] Review of the transition process
by Rémy Marquis 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > Hi, > > Okay i tried to summarize the transition guidelines, all the feedback we > got about it and my own experiences from the last 2 weeks into the Help > page for transferring content after we switched to the new instance. > After removing a lot of information duplicated from the individual Help > pages and a couple of superfluous manual steps i ended up with > > http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Transfer > > I think this is a very decent description of what Tom, I and others have > done for the past couple of weeks. The only thing not covered is the > Tagging of the articles in the old instance. Thats because I'm very > unsure if we need this or not. Thx for the great job! > Isn't putting a single Template (Template:Transferred) onto the old page > after you are finished with transferring according to Help:Transfer the > only thing we need? We can add these pages to Category:Transferred with > this template and would end up with everything we gain from tagging now. > Advertising, Awareness, list of things transferred. Opinions? Yes. Actually, this template is existing : http://en.opensuse.org/Template:TransferNote Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] default skin on wiki.o.o
by Thomas Schmidt 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

After discussing with henne, we came to the conclusion to prefer bentofluid[1] over standard bento[2] for the new wiki skin. I think the skin is ready to be used as default on wiki.o.o to get some more feedback and have it ready for production at the same time as the wiki relaunch. This will hopefully align with the release of the new bento design on build.o.o, software.o.o etc. Therefore I propose to set bentofluid as default beginning with next week. Greetings [1] http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Portal:Development&useskin=bentofl… [2] http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Portal:Development&useskin=bento -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] New Help Namespace Finished
by Henne Vogelsang 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Hey, it took some time but i think i have, except for some minor details, finished the Help: namespace with all the help and guidelines to work with the new wiki. Please go to http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki and dive into it. After you read the content linked from this Portal you should be up to speed for the new wiki. If you find something wrong, missing or opaque fix it yourself (this is a wiki ;) or leave a note at http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki/TODO and i see what i can do. Have Fun... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Navigational bar in portal pages
by Rajko M. 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

I'm not sure that we need navigational bar in portal pages. There is section "Related portals" where we can list with category tree: - site wide listing, Category:Portals - local group listing, specific category created for portals that are related. Example: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Support -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Article namespace-screening
by Daniel Gollub 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Hi, the last days i started with namespace-screening of all first-level articles of en.o.o. Divided those into SDB:, openSUSE: and main Namespace (and marked those as obsolete which were already marked as obslete or looked obsolete to me). The intermediate result is: http://people.b1-systems.de/~gollub/private/wiki.o.o/namespace-review.php - main: 15 articles - SDB: 549 articles - openSUSE: 543 articles - obsolete: 447 articles - not-yet-reviewed/undecided: 231 articles main ~~~~ Quality selection for openSUSE Distro. presentation. Require some more dedicated promo wiki pages which are not mixed-up with instructions or too many technical details ... Baybe i couldn't find the intended good wiki pages. (Or is there only the openSUSE_$Version page for each release for promo?) SDB ~~~~ All HOWTOs, tutorial, (hardware-setup) instructions, guides, support instructions, tips, ... not directly relevant to the openSUSE- project/development. But relevant for the openSUSE distribution. There are several articles which were intentionally something like an application/project promotion page, but ended up to be a setup-instruction ... so the title might be often misleading. openSUSE: ~~~~~~~~~ * everything direct related to openSUSE Distro. development, contribution, (/Bugs:*, ...), research, ... * openSUSE Project organizational stuff * openSUSE developed applications: yast * SUSE Studio: there are tons of SUSE Studio articles, which should be moved in common SUSE_Studio/ hierarchy. Not quite sure if SUSE-Studio should really live inside the openSUSE: namespace at all. Any suggestion for this? Maybe not transferring at all? Maybe it's obsolete - never worked with it ... * openSUSE-nerd-nonsense: /SOCKS, ... * It also includes lots of SLE and Novell mixed-up-stuff. Stuff like obsolete: ~~~~~~~~~~ * everything which was exclusively for version 11.0 and lower * empty or "todo" articles * by accident i18n pages: [A-Z]-$en_article (but easy to filter) * and really bad wiki content ... only code-snippets * manual written redirects * cry for help articles * branding overviews for older distributions * obsolete tool documentation: smart, zen, zmd, ... * pages already reviewed as obsolete not-yet-reviewed/undecided ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * articles i don't want to assign to the main namespace * not quite sure if relevant for openSUSE: or SDB: - "application promotion" there are vast amount of application promotion articles: reaching from incomplete, to low-quality up to top quality. I would suggest to mark all incomplete pages and low quality (e.g. only brief description - wasting-time-for-maintenance) as obsolete. Examples: http://en.opensuse.org//Abiword - Stub -> obsolete/no-transfer? http://en.opensuse.org//Fluxbox - mix-up of tutorial/promotion -> ??? http://en.opensuse.org//Inkscape - only brief description/ stub -> drop? http://en.opensuse.org//Mozilla_Suite ... brief desc./stub -> drop? http://en.opensuse.org//Blender - average quality /pure promotion -> ??? http://en.opensuse.org//Git - good quality / pure promotion -> ??? * stuff which is waste of time to maintain: - Computer-Science glossaries: /DMA, /BIOS, /PCI-X ... in my opinion a reference to wikipedia would be enough, since this is what all of those have in common. - Generic Programming Language articles: /Python - no content related to openSUSE Python specific stuff - drop? /Ruby - at least some trace related to openSUSE (BService) -> openSUSE:? - Generic file formats articles: /PDF, /Postscript, /SGML_and_XML -> drop? Comments? Best Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Gollub Geschaeftsfuehrer: Ralph Dehner FOSS Developer Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg B1 Systems GmbH Amtsgericht: Ingolstadt Handelsregister: HRB 3537 EMail: gollub(a)b1-systems.de http://www.b1-systems.de Adresse: B1 Systems GmbH, Osterfeldstraße 7, 85088 Vohburg http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xED14B95C2F8CA78D

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[opensuse-wiki] fluid bento available on wiki.o.o
by Thomas Schmidt 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Hi, I added the fluid bento style as skin option to wiki.o.o (choose it at 'My Preferences"->"Skins") We will see if this is the way to go, I think it looks better for the wiki pages but that's only my opinion ;-) Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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