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[opensuse-gnome] Updating Gnome 2.24 to 2.26
by Sebastian Roesgen 31 Mar '09

31 Mar '09

Hallo all, now that GNOME 2.26 is in the GNOME:/STABLE: repository, I gave it a try and installed it (on three different PCs). Worked fine for me, but I asked myself a question: On All three machines the 100% CPU error occured and I had to add the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/MBoman/openSUSE_11.1/ repository. So will there be some fix in a more official repository soon? Wouldn't it be more logical to put the fix in either the GNOME:/STABLE:/2.26 repository or the X11 repository to spare other users adding an extra rep? (I assume that those who give the 2.26 repository a try will, at least in most cases, also use the X11 repository) I personally made the epxerience that the more reps you add to your repository list, the more often you will encounter dependency problems (and in some cases even heavier problems). I suppose you know these problems (if not I can give you examples). Or is this problem already fixed? If this is the case take my apologies for asking unnecessary questions. Thanks in advance, Sebastian Rösgen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upgrade Gnome 2.26 for openSUSE 11.0
by Rastislav Krupanský 29 Mar '09

29 Mar '09

Hi all. Just a short question. How can i upgrade Gnome 2.26 for openSUSE 11.0? I can't find any repo for 11.0, only for 11.1 - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/2.26/ Thanks a lot. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Today's meeting cancelled
by Bryen 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Due to lack of attendance, we have had to cancel today's regularly-scheduled meeting. Our next meeting will be next week, same time Thursday at 19:00 UTC unless you voice concerns about that new time frame. Thanks, -- Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE-GNOME Team Member GNOME-A11y Team Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME Team Meeting at 19:00 UTC
by Bryen 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Hello all... Sorry for the late send out. Today, the openSUSE GNOME Team will have its regular weekly meeting at its newly set up regular weekly time (did I just say a mouthful?). Meeting time: 19:00 UTC Meeting place: #opensuse-gnome on Freenode IRC network Dress Code: Business Casual Today, we'll be discussing ideas to recommend for the openSUSE COmmunity Week in April, plus status of moving the new GNOME 2.26 setup from GNOME:FACTORY to GNOME:STABLE. See you all there. -- Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE-GNOME Team Member GNOME-A11y Team Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] WEBEX
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

Is there any way someone could create some configuration instructions to run WEBEX on openSUSE? The Ubuntu ones don't seem to solve the issue of being rejected as incompatible. -- James Tremblay Volunteer openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com e-mail james "at" os4ed.com e-mail sleducator "at" opensuse.org CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education

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[opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
by Alan McGovern 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

(And once again forwarding to the list :) ) Hey, On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger(a)rub.de> wrote: > Hi Alan, > > you have a great way of marketing your application; I remember that > before the first inclusion of Monsoon as default BT app you also let it > sound as if all we had to do was to send in some reports to fix the very > few remaining bugs; There is currently one major issue open in bugzilla: #485459. That bug has already been fixed in SVN of monotorrent (http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc?view=rev&revision=129752), about 3 days after it was reported. > and now years have gone by and Monsoon STILL is a pile of ...problems. See above. > Let's face it; it WON'T be fixed quick! Take your time, gather willing > beta-testers and polish your product. Nothing will be fixed if I don't know about it. > But DON'T try to push Monsoon down our throats and turn thousands of > openSUSE users into unwilling guinea-pigs. You are free to choose as you will. If you choose (along with opensuse) to not use monsoon as the default, there's nothing I can do about that. If you decide as a personal choice to not use it even if it's the default, there's nothing I can do about that either. All I can do is fix known issues and improve features and maybe one day attract you back through technical merit. Alan. > > Cheers, > Chris > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
by Alan McGovern 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

(Doh, resending again as i forgot to make the email plain text) Hey, > Not even the latest version from Gnome-community works > as it should. Maybe the packager's fault, but as an end-user: what do I > care? All I want is a working BT-client. Exactly. End users just want something that works. No amount of features can replace stability. I couldn't agree more. So, with that in mind, what exactly isn't working? As the old saying goes, if there are no bug reports, there are no bugs. A bug report on bugzilla would be the best place to report any issues you're having. > I DON'T want to have to file bug-reports for the standard components of my desktop! Which is exactly how I felt when opensuse regressed and broke *keyboard* support with my laptop rendering a new install unusable. Or when my wireless stopped working. Or when YaST crashed every time it was started. Or zypper still being unable to install packages reliably if the same package name exists in multiple repositories. All of which are so much more critical to the desktop than any old torrent client, yet we still file bugs on them even though they are core components. That's the only way things can get fixed. Alan. > > > Greets, > Chris > > Am Dienstag, den 24.03.2009, 19:56 +0000 schrieb Alan McGovern: > > (Sending again, i think it failed the first time) > > > > Hey > > > > I've read through the thread and all I really have to add is this. > > Note, I am cherry picking quotes from different emails here: > > > > > Not much has happend upstream > > > > > > What exactly do you define as upstream. Since Monsoon was originally > > chosen as the client, there have been two releases of monsoon and five > > releases of the backend torrent library. I have scheduled a bugfix > > release (0.71) of the backend library to happen pretty soon, which > > will make 6 releases of the backend. So if you're implying there is no > > active upstream work being done at all, you'd be wrong ;) > > > > > and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too. > > > > I can't comment on that. What I can say is that Monsoon is packaged > > in a number of different distros. > > > > > > > > The problem with using a unknown/unused client is that we are the only > > > ones providing bugs and/or patches. And since I have a strong belife > > > that most of us deletes monsoon for a different client, even less bugs > > > get upstreamed. > > > > > > There are quite a number of users of the backend library who > > contribute bug reports (and sometimes patches) and also a few > > recurring contributors. So issues relating to freezing/crashing/poor > > performance in the backend library have a lot more people than just > > opensuse reporting bugs. > > > > > we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). > > > > Yes, I did concentrate more heavily on the backend throughout the 11.0 > > -> 11.1 cycle (as can be seen from the number of releases mentioned > > above). There are currently two major GUI features planned for Monsoon > > 0.30. > > 1) A smart queuing system (in progress in svn) > > 2) Addin support (patch to be contributed by a 3rd party in the near future) > > > > > What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission? Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support > > > > It's worth pointing out that Novell will not ship any torrent client > > with DHT enabled [1] due to legal risks. However for the 0.30 release > > I'll split the DHT code out of monotorrent into a separate library > > (3-5 hours of work). Then Monsoon can ship as 'DHT Ready', which means > > it has the capability to use DHT but will ship with zero DHT code. > > Then, using Mono.Addins, the DHT library can be installed and > > activated seamlessly at runtime. This will provide a *great* feature > > that no other torrent client provides out of box for opensuse. > > Normally you'd have install a package from a 3rd party repository > > where DHT isn't disabled. Transmission has no support for DHT to the > > best of my knowledge. > > > > So that pretty sums up my thoughts after reading the thread. If anyone > > has any specific feature requests, bugs or general comments, feel free > > to file a bug report on bugzilla so the ideas don't get lost. If you > > want a general discussion, I'll keep responding here. Or maybe a > > separate thread might be in order and we can keep this one for default > > client discussions. > > > > Thanks, > > Alan. > > > > [1] I'm not actually 100% sure if dht is disabled in all torrent > > packages in opensuse even though it should be. ktorrent and Monsoon > > disable for sure. I'm not sure if deluge does or not. If there is a > > torrent package shipping from opensuse repositories which does *not* > > have DHT disabled, I'm sure opensuse legal would love to hear about it > > ;) I can forward the relevant emails from my discussion with them to > > anyone interested, or you can email them yourselves. > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
by Alan McGovern 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

(Sending again, i think it failed the first time) Hey I've read through the thread and all I really have to add is this. Note, I am cherry picking quotes from different emails here: > Not much has happend upstream What exactly do you define as upstream. Since Monsoon was originally chosen as the client, there have been two releases of monsoon and five releases of the backend torrent library. I have scheduled a bugfix release (0.71) of the backend library to happen pretty soon, which will make 6 releases of the backend. So if you're implying there is no active upstream work being done at all, you'd be wrong ;) > and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too. I can't comment on that. What I can say is that Monsoon is packaged in a number of different distros. > > The problem with using a unknown/unused client is that we are the only > ones providing bugs and/or patches. And since I have a strong belife > that most of us deletes monsoon for a different client, even less bugs > get upstreamed. There are quite a number of users of the backend library who contribute bug reports (and sometimes patches) and also a few recurring contributors. So issues relating to freezing/crashing/poor performance in the backend library have a lot more people than just opensuse reporting bugs. > we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). Yes, I did concentrate more heavily on the backend throughout the 11.0 -> 11.1 cycle (as can be seen from the number of releases mentioned above). There are currently two major GUI features planned for Monsoon 0.30. 1) A smart queuing system (in progress in svn) 2) Addin support (patch to be contributed by a 3rd party in the near future) > What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission? Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support It's worth pointing out that Novell will not ship any torrent client with DHT enabled [1] due to legal risks. However for the 0.30 release I'll split the DHT code out of monotorrent into a separate library (3-5 hours of work). Then Monsoon can ship as 'DHT Ready', which means it has the capability to use DHT but will ship with zero DHT code. Then, using Mono.Addins, the DHT library can be installed and activated seamlessly at runtime. This will provide a *great* feature that no other torrent client provides out of box for opensuse. Normally you'd have install a package from a 3rd party repository where DHT isn't disabled. Transmission has no support for DHT to the best of my knowledge. So that pretty sums up my thoughts after reading the thread. If anyone has any specific feature requests, bugs or general comments, feel free to file a bug report on bugzilla so the ideas don't get lost. If you want a general discussion, I'll keep responding here. Or maybe a separate thread might be in order and we can keep this one for default client discussions. Thanks, Alan. [1] I'm not actually 100% sure if dht is disabled in all torrent packages in opensuse even though it should be. ktorrent and Monsoon disable for sure. I'm not sure if deluge does or not. If there is a torrent package shipping from opensuse repositories which does *not* have DHT disabled, I'm sure opensuse legal would love to hear about it ;) I can forward the relevant emails from my discussion with them to anyone interested, or you can email them yourselves. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
by Bjørn Lie 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success. Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too. I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is. I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus. What do you all think? Bjørn Lie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
by Andrew Wafaa 22 Mar '09

22 Mar '09

As the person that did the initial review[0] of BitTorrent clients over ~18months ago for 11.0, it was myself that recommended Monsoon. The choice was not mine alone but that of the community. As such if the community feels it is prudent to review this choice and make ammendments then I am all for it. In my review I had Transmission as the #2 choice so I'm happy to use that. As for lack of releases for Monsoon, I'm not so sure that is necessarily a bad thing. I have experienced very few issues with it and there have been a couple of releases since the initial inclusion in 11.0. As for others using it, one distro I know of is Foresight, so we are not alone (and so what if we were?) ;-) As I have very little usage of other distros what do the likes of Fedora/Debian/Mandriva/Ubuntu/etc. use, also what is the default client upstream? Regards, Andy [0] - http://en.opensuse.org/User:FunkyPenguin/TorrentReview -- Sent from a Nokia E71 Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin. openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org . -----Original Message----- From: Bjørn Lie Sent: 21/03/2009 21:19:17 Subject: [opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success. Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too. I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is. I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus. What do you all think? Bjørn Lie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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