Mailinglist Archive: zypp-devel (16 mails)

[Jiri Srain <jsrain@xxxxxxx>]

Dne Čt 9. února 2012 20:05:49, Klaus Kaempf napsal(a):
> * Michael Schroeder <mls@xxxxxxx> [Feb 09. 2012 18:29]:
> > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 06:02:34PM +0100, Michael Schroeder wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:39:59PM +0100, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
> > > > IMHO, "all" should be the default, since selective patch
> > > > installation
> > > > is something for the more experienced (who should be able to
> > > > adapt
> > > > zypper.conf ;-))
> > >
> > > You're joking, right? Why do we release optional updates at all
> > > if they are installed anyway? (And it's just zypper, YaST/packagekit
> > > honors the optional flag, right?)
> >
> > Let me rephrase this:
> >
> > The defaults of 'zypper patch' and 'zypper pchk' should be
> > so that people can put them into a cron job to keep their
> > system in an supported state.
>
> Thats exactly the scenario _experienced_ admins will deploy.
>
> > The maintenance team uses
> > optional patches when they think the update is not useful
> > for most users.
>
> If a patch is not applicable for most users, it shouldn't be released
> in the first place. And if, then as a PTF (problem temporary fix ==
> customer specific)
>
> > The idea of optional patches is exactly that
> > they are not installed by default (i.e. in a cron job), but
> > with a deliberate decision from the sysadmin.
>
> My understanding of 'optional' is different: Not strictly required to
> be in a 'maintained' state but safe to apply anyways.

Well, we used to use patches to drag in some proprietary stuff (fonts, gfx 
drivers). I see optional patches more like bringing new features.

To have a real-life example for SLES11-SP1: We ship as a patch the DUD which 
adds support for update via AutoYaST (it effectively brings a new package 
which contains the DUD). It is completely useless to install this patch on any 
SLES11-SP1 box; what you need to do is to get the DUD once and use it to 
update the installation environment.

Jiri

> Regards,
>
> Klaus
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Jiri Srain
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