Mailinglist Archive: zypp-devel (64 mails)

[Jan Kupec <jkupec@xxxxxxx>]

Klaus Kaempf wrote:
> * Jan Kupec <jkupec@xxxxxxx> [Jul 31. 2008 14:43]:
> > datetime (e.g. YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm:ss format)
> > action   (install | remove | upgrade | downgrade | reinstall)
> - What's 'reinstall' supposed to be ?
zypper in --force (rpm -i --force i guess). I guess this should be 
logged a separate action (?).

> > reqby    (auto | user)  // meaning requested by - user or dependencies
>
> It should be the real username, remember we want to be role-based in
> the future. Probably with a '@hostname' to cope for remote
> administration.

OK, makes sense.

> > repo ??? // this is requested, but do we really want it? The vendor
> >          // should be sufficient IMO
>
> The vendor can be faked. IMHO, the repository url is needed here.
>
> (There is no need to repeat the complete repo url for hundreds of
> packages. A single "repo #3 is http://...."; log entry and referencing
> the repo as '#3' is less verbose.

OK, makes sense, too. Let's see what comes out of the 'package origin' 
discussion.

> Some suggestions:
>
> - make the action a fixed length, its easier to read

OK

> - move the 'user' towards the end, the package is more important
>   information.

OK

> - don't split name, evr and arch into separate columns. name-evr.arch
>   is a quite common notation.

I meant this to be more easily parsable. It's harder to parse 
name-evr.arch, than have these already separated by the line reader.

> - have a flexible number of columns, improves readability

OK, each action will have it own well-defined set of columns.

> - 'auto' could be eliminated, everything without a user is 'auto'

I see no problem with that. Just i side note, any package installed
by external tools and not logged will be considered as installed by
(unknown) user; for whatever purpose like auto-removal of unused packages.

> - We could include dependency information by putting a package into
>   the 'user' column. Don't know how useful this actually is

Neither do i :O) But it might be a problem to distinguish the user name 
from a pacakge-evr.a, or not (i don't know what's the policy about unix 
user names).

> Example:
>
> 2008-10-12 12:55:03|repo|1|dvd11
> 2008-10-12 12:55:03|update 
> |libzypp-1.42-39.i586|libzypp-1.27-63.i586@1|root@localhost
> 2008-10-12 12:55:10|remove |zypper-0.11.9.i386|pope@vatican
> 2008-10-12 12:55:03|install|libzypp-1.43.0.i586@1
> Alternative: 2008-10-12 
> 12:55:03|install|libzypp-1.43.0.i586@1|zypper-0.12.0.i586@1
> 2008-10-12 12:55:03|install|zypper-0.12.0.i586@1|root@xxxxxxxxxxx

> > OTHER ISSUES
> >
> > The request is that the package history should be human-readable as well as 
> > machine-readable.  It could as well be two separate logs, one for humans, 
> > one for machines.
>
> Well, the 'human readable' should be 'admin readable'. I don't see the
> need for a 'natural language' but a nicely structured, line based
> format in a single(!) log file.

agreed

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