Mailinglist Archive: zypp-devel (92 mails)

["Rajko M." <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday 24 August 2007 06:50:40 am Lukas Ocilka wrote:
> Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
> > On Friday 24 August 2007 11:03, Stefan Schubert wrote:
> > ...
> > As a user, I want to know what packages I'll get before I select a
> > pattern. If the new behaviour is like you described, the user will se no
> > pattern content (no packages) before selecting the pattern and all
> > packages that somehow got dragged into the install set (regardless
> > whether by the pattern or otherwise) afterwards.
> >
> > This invalidates the whole idea of that "Patterns" filter view. The only
> > thing that would make sense would to only have the simple pattern
> > selector that ...
> > Very much the same would be true for patch contents that (AFAICS) has the
> > same problem: No list of packages any more.
>
> That's true, as a user, I always check which packages a patch/pattern
> contains because I want to know the relation between the patch/pattern
> (name) and its content (what it affected, what else should I select...).
>
> Such statements as "user doesn't want", "user wants", "user needs"
> should be supported by, at least, some mail written to the community at
> factory@opensuse or some Internet survey.
>
> It seems we need to provide surveys *before* we change some important
> parts, or, at least, *after* we change them (however *before* sounds
> better).
>
> Frankly, I've found, that all of us (including myself, of course) are
> "freaks" :) that don't now what the real life is :) ;) We know our
> distribution, we know our packages, we know our source code, but we
> really *don't know* what our users want...
>
> Is There Anybody Out There?

Not many Lukas ;-)
It should be organized some survey to clarify what 'normal' user looks for or 
expects from certain screen. 

For me Patterns is the way to see packages sorted by functionality. 
If I want web (any kind of) server, I look in pattern sever functions what 
will be included, what else is offered, but not included by default. 

Pattern is some kind of expert advice. 
For instance Console Tools is my, recently discovered, shortcut to check in 
few tools without loosing time looking around or typing names in a search.  
 
The package groups are helpfull for this kind of browsing too, but I don't 
know is it maintained after introduction of patterns. 
 
Search is not good for this as it depends on name/summary/description that may 
or may not contain search word. 
 
-- 
Regards,
Rajko.
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