On 08/28/2014 04:29 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Anton Aylward írta:
On 08/27/2014 07:08 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
"Carlos E. R." írta:
On 2014-08-28 00:35, Istvan Gabor wrote:
So we don't have either adobe reader or kpdf in openSUSE 13.1 by the default KDE4 or gnome. Does openSUSES 13.1 have a pdf viewer that works as good as adobe reader or kpdf?
There are different selection modes in okular. Try a different mode.
Yes, after selecting the text by drawing a rectangular I have to choose from either select text or select image copy to clipboard. I do select text copy to clipboard. The copied text becomes a mess.
pasting text from some PDF files is actually very difficult.
Yes, but not in kdfp (last stable version 6 years ago). It works perfectly.
maybe I'm misinterpreting but ... Yes, you are seriously misinterpreting and misexplaining.
Or maybe, just maybe, I'm making the point that "Context is Everything"
So I create a document using openlibre and export that as a PDF. First, someone else sent me the document, so I have no influence on how it is created.
I later mention this difference.
Second, not openlibre (I don't know what it is) but Adobe InDesign CS3 (5.0) is the creator according to the file properties info.
Quite. I state very clearly what I'm doing and the constraints I'm working under. You haven't mentioned the method of creation of the document before :-(
I open the PDF with okular and use the text tool (clt-F4) and swipe over some text. I did not know about this option.
I suspected that because you didn't specify which one of the selection tools available.
I used the default one which selection tool according to the tooltip.
Apparently we differ as to what we consider 'default.
When I click it, another tooltip saying "Draw a rectangle aroudnthe text/graphics to copy."
I don't have tooltips turned on.
Accordig to this info this tool should copy text.
Perhaps its a 'native English' thing but 'rectangle around' to me implied something more graphic than selecting text.
By the way, this is the same protocol so far as in kpdf.
And here I think is your problem. Its not kpdf. Treating it as if it were can lead to surprises when it doesn't behave as if it is. Superficially, LibreOffice may look like MS-Word, Thunderbird my look like MS-Outlook but they are not and the details of operation differ.
After selecting the text by drawing the rectangle I can select either a) text copy to clipboard or b) image copy to clipboard. Funnily I selected "text copy to clipboard".
Yes, funny that. As I said, when I did this with the documents I generate I did get text.
oh, wait, its selecting text just like in a word processor and not, as Istvan says, drawing a rectangle. I'm using the text tool and not the 'selection tool'.
In the meantime I looked into this selection tool thing and found in the tools menu the different selection options. I did not use this before. If I select text selection tool and select text it is not at all like selecting text in a word processor.
Why do you say that? When I select text in a wp the individual words are highlighted. Not some rectangle around them. So why do you think its different? What happens for you? Does something _other_ than the individual words get highlighted?
I have then at least 20 green colored boxes with different sizes, when they overlap the color is darker green. There are several overlaps, at least 10.
Is the text of different sizes? Are these individual boxes around each word? The "box around each word" is one way of describing the wp mode highlighting that *I* am describing, but the overlapping I find curious. Perhaps you could send me a screenshot of same?
I open another text window. Lets be dumb, lets make that vim, and paste that selected text in. It goes in with the same line breaks, not 'one word per line'.
I do have it also with some other pdf documents. The result of the copy/paste is absolutely independent from which tool, the text selection tool, or the selection tool is used for copying the text.
I'm beginning to think that this is all an property of the document.
Now, I freely grant that this is a biased test. Yes, if you mean your test, your rigth, it is a biased test.
And yes the purpose of the test is to show that ocular _can_ correctly select text from PDF documents. Or at least some PDF documents that have been generated by a reasonable tool. On my android tablet the bookshelf tools have a FOSS PDF reader that often renders dual column text from magazine articles with the columns overlapping. I can read those same documents using acroread, Foxit, ocular or even print the with ghostscript and they come out OK. So the concept of "fuzzy" and "reasonable" are not truly separate. It makes me wonder, Istvan, about using something like acroread or Foxit to read that document and try selecting text and pasting it.
it is not some J. Q. Random piece of PDF off the net, not one produced by that dread tool, Microsoft Word. I've seen what kind of HTML that produces and can dread the PDF.
I even can not comprehend this.
I'll try again. Rather than using some outsider piece of PDF I created one under constrained condition using LibreOffice. I've seen the quality of the HTML produced by MS-Word when it 'Save as' HTML, and its awful! Based on that I don't expect the quality of a PDF document generated by MS-word to be of high quality. That being said, I do have some among the articles I've downloaded. I can see mention of same in the File->properties. Ones I've downloaded from TechRepublic are examples. OOPS! Just looked 'under the hood' at the source of one and yes it is awful! All in all, I prefer acroread on screen but I find that it has problems occasionally dealing with landscape printing. Foxit isn't always the best on-screen but it doesn't have problems printing files that break acroread. I'd be interested in learning more and seeing an example of this kind of anomaly, but I really don't like the "KDE4 is broken and and KDE3 is the greatest and should never have been supplanted" rhetoric. I'm sure if I started spouting that the Roman Empire was great and was corrupted by Christianity which brought about its downfall and while we've become more technologically proficient we have never reached the level of culture the pagan Romans had I'd have a lot of people down on me and Henne issuing cease-and-desist orders. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org