On 07/29/2014 09:52 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 07/29/14 22:57, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/29/2014 03:28 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I beg to differ. When a tool that I used for decades disappears from a distribution, I *am* forced to do something. I don't do that change by free choice, it doesn't come with any advantage for me.
Let me see if I have a correct understanding here.
You are complaining that qpopper is not in the main openSuse distribution.
No. I bemoan that packages are abandoned by the community.
Perhaps you should bemona that some packages use licences that are acceptable to certian packagers.
I complain that you don't see this as a problem.
Since I don't want the packagers to be hounded by lawyers for licence contravention, I look at "two evils" and think about which is the lesser. That various items are not in the distribution, libdvdcss, acroread, nvidia drivers, because of licence restrictions doesn't mean I can't obtain them elsewhere. For consistency you should be complaining that, like qpopper, these are not part of the distribution.
That it is one of the other repositories at download.opensuse doesn't matter to you.
Would you please tell me which one? Searching OBS finds none. If there would be one, I wouldn't write posts in this thread.
Didn't Carlos answer that?
That its still available from sourceforge doesn't matter to you.
I *do* compile it myself nowadays.
So what are you complaining?
As I've written before in this thread: My /usr/local fills up again, like it did in the 90s. Was this not clear enough to you, who style yourself as an oldtimer?
I don't see its relevance. If you are saying that you chose to put you own compiled stuff there then that is also a chouce. I can understand why you might want to, in that you want to keep /usr/bin, /usr/lib for the distribution and to have /usr/local on a separate FS that survives the wipe-and-install of an upgrade. But why should this be a concern? We have PATH. We have /etc/alternatives; we have shell executable caching. We have kernel inode and pathanme caching.
It means that I have to compile free software again, like I did in the SunOS times when we ported X10. Of course, I do so -- I've done it in the past, and I'm able to do it now. But I don't like that I have to do it.
Back to what I said about "choices". Or are you saying that the alternatives you want to run are overwhelming? How so? I have a few 3rd party and pay-for application that I have to install in /usr/local and /opt but I don't find them a burden. You are imply that what you have in /usr/local represents something sizeable when compared with /usr/bin and /usr/lib.
Linux distributions once delivered the advantage that I do *not* have to compile and install stuff myself. My puppet configuration needs to add more and more stuff to my installation that is managed locally. That's not a good thing in my book, and that's the point I'm trying to make.
So this is about about Puppet, then? What about those of us who have to install applicant under Apache Struts or Java (I have over a dozen 3rd party Java apps) or other web based applications. The point is that these are not part of the distribution -- but so what? The packagers have their work cut out for them as it is. I don't see why more demands should be placed on them.
I think you are being unreasonable.
I think that you either don't read completely or don't understand what I write. You assert things that I never
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