Billie Walsh wrote:
On 06/09/2014 09:56 AM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 06/09/2014 12:06 AM, Damian Ivanov wrote:
Linda if you ever wonder why people mark you as unhelpful (the below seem to be a common thing for systemd-hate-trolls though): You're trying sneaky to get people on your side by talking about something (off-topic) good and relate it to your arguments. You try to downplay arguments from others with a subjective, misinformed rant and than start talking off-topic about microscopes, Fox news, freedom and how proud you're of your first perl module but you're sad because people don't like it and mark you somewhere as unhelpful.
This diatribe against Linda is interesting to me. It's obvious that we all live in our own "frames of reference", or "bubbles" if you will. People/things/ideas outside of our own personal bubbles cause suspicion and hostility. I'm sure that Damian, Dirk and Linda are fine, upstanding, and honest people, but they are perceived by those outside their bubbles as being "unhelpful".
Could it be that like/dislike of systemd is correlated with the political bubbles in which we live? Could appreciation of systemd come from Liberals? Fear and loathing of systemd comes from Conservatives? Does political polarization extend into our technical world?
Maybe the answer here is for us to expand our bubbles? Does the truth lie in that area in the middle where the bubbles overlap?
For the record, I'm conservative (surprise!) and I am suspicious of systemd. Linda: are you conservative? Damian: are you liberal? Dirk: are you conservative? Can your opinion of systemd be correlated with how you vote on election day?
(sorry for the off-topic rumination, my caffeine fix hasn't kicked in yet)
Regards, Lew
We all use our computers differently. Me, I'm just an average home user. I surf the web. Do e-mail. The most strenuous things I do are create web pages and I use Winff with avconv to convert video once a week. I only know one command line string by heart. That one installs Synaptic on a clean install because the KDE package handlers suck big time. I have no idea what systemd is or does. I couldn't care less as long as my computer boots up and works. See, I'm the computer user that everyone says Linux isn't ready for.
I suspect the ones doing all the complaining are the power users that like to get into the systems guts and tweak all the settings. Change means that what they want to do no longer works. That upsets them. They want things to remain static forever. Someone much smarter than myself one remarked that the only constant is change. Personally, I believe the change is towards entropy, but that's another story.
Linda and I are both professional administrators. It's not that we "like to tweak things", it's our JOB to make things work... and when suse is putting out crap which directly conflicts with making things work optimally, then I have to put up with crap from my employer because things don't work they way they should work. Linda, I gather, used to work at SGI. She's probably the most professional person on this list.
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