On 2014-06-04 04:22 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
Or text login? Because your 13.1 system clearly has it.
What is text login? How does that list tell you I have it?
He, because I have been using Linux for more that a decade and I recognize what I see? :-)
Each instance of sentence ending in "?" is a question. Your response addressed the second of two questions. What is the answer to the first question? IOW, what is a "text login", and what does it have to do with systemd logging?
Most of the files in your /var/log/ are plain text files.
As I wrote.
Some are compressed,
Also as I wrote.
and some are binary
Also as I wrote, and one of my complaints. How can the non-.xz files be of any use (why do they clutter /var/log/, and why do they even exist?
But in this particular instance, logs have not changed. We simply have two log systems available.
The systemd system appears to be ethereal, and they don't match up exactly.
Well, but you can use them, or not. Your choice, so far. They are ethereal, if I get your meaning, because openSUSE devs thought better to leave them so, but you can switch them to persistent, if you wish. Some do. I don't.
I don't think you got my meaning. By writing "ethereal" I was referring to the need for journalctl to examine a binary systemd log that does not make any obvious appearance in /var/log/, and cannot be examined via the F3 key on its file highlighted. Anyway this is moot now that I've been instructed that logs in /var/log/ amount to duplications of what's in the ethereal binary blob.
What I'd really like is to find every log however generated appear in /var/log, and all except the .xz files be human useful/viewable/navigable/searchable initiated with the F3 key in MC, which even before wasn't possible with e.g. btmp, faillog, lastlog and wtmp.
And they are there.
Look, those .xz files are just rotated and compressed text files, in the
Implied in my post you just replied to.
The other four files you mention are binary, and not produced by systemd either.
Again, this is the complaint, that /var/log/ contains any binaries other than the .xz files.
BTW, at 70582K, pbl.log management surely must be broken.
(That file from host gx27b.)
I had not noticed that one before, I don't know what it is. But google knows: just ask it "what is pbl.log", and you find an opensuse form post that says it is "the log file of perl-Bootloader".
I knew. I used F3, which made it obvious what it is.
Big? True... Mine has 35 MB, and it started a year ago. Will have to find out if it is appropriate to add it to the rotation. Could report a bug about it.
This particular one of mine dates back to a 12.3 milestone, January 2013, which makes it obvious no rotation on it is happening. Unless you already have or want to yourself, I can file one once I figure out which of my 13.1s was a fresh install rather than an upgrade from 12.3. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org