Damian Ivanov wrote:
Then install something like syslog-ng. systemd *default* is a binary log.
If the DEFAULT is binary, then it indicates a level of wrong-headedness. And if something as simple as KEEP LOGS IN HUMAN-READABLE TEXT is broken, what other shit are they breaking that isn't so obvious? You're telling me that if I go to extra effort, I can make systemd behave the way it SHOULD have already been behaving by default. You defend stupid ideas... how long have you been drinking the SystemD Kool-Aid? [If you don't understand the reference, google for the Jim Jones cult in Guyana].
2014-06-04 4:23 GMT+03:00 Felix Miata
: On 2014-06-04 02:15 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Are you sure about the "always" part?
# ls -l /var/log # 12.1 47 lines of output http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/varlog121
# ls -l /var/log # 13.1 (upgraded from 12.3) 37 lines of output http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/varlog131
I don't see anything wrong in there. Your plain text logs are there, and there is rotation and separation.
Missing from 13.1:
boot.msg boot.omsg nscd.log (empty in 12.1)
What does "separation" mean here?
Systemd does generate a binary log of its own, which can be persistent, on disk, or just for the current boot. But nothing impedes you to use a syslog daemon as always.
"Nothing"? Is it enabled by default like the 11.4 way did? I don't know anything about setting up any such thing. I didn't need to.
What do you want to setup, persistent systemd style login? You simply create the journal directory. Don't ask me the details, I don't want it.
What is "persistent systemd style login"?
Or text login? Because your 13.1 system clearly has it.
What is text login? How does that list tell you I have it?
Change is not always progress, particularly WRT systemd and things that now depend on it that never depended on Sysvinit.
But in this particular instance, logs have not changed. We simply have two log systems available.
The systemd system appears to be ethereal, and they don't match up exactly. What I'd really like is to find every log however generated appear in /var/log, and all except the .xz files be human useful/viewable/navigable/searchable initiated with the F3 key in MC, which even before wasn't possible with e.g. btmp, faillog, lastlog and wtmp.
BTW, at 70582K, pbl.log management surely must be broken.
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