Hello, On Sun, 05 May 2013, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2013-05-05 at 16:51 +0200, David Haller wrote:
-dnh, thinking about using OpenRC, oh, feel free to mail me if you'd also be interested in using that for oS ... I guess I'd manage for myself, but for the distro, a team is needed.
I guess I'm lazy. I want my comfort zone, to keep using openSUSE as much as I can... till it is too late, I guess.
Same here. See below. Well, even at Gentoo (where OpenRC is AFAIR based(?)) they're AFAIR thinking about systemd. As far as I've gathered randomly, as of now they'd rather stick with OpenRC for a while. Elsewhere, Ubuntu is AFAIK planning to abandon upstart, and the rest? Ok, there's Debian... BTW: my 500 MHz Athlon/SuSE 6.2/XFree 3.3.2/WMaker 0.92 started faster than my current 2x3000MHz Athlon II X2/SuSE 12.1/Xorg 7.6/WMaker 0.92. Very much due to Xorg and the nvidia driver AFAI-can guess... But also the start from Grub to text-login was quite a bit faster with my old box than now. You'd think a 2 x 6 times faster CPU (alone by MHz) and also faster HDD (and by now even SSD) vs. an older 500G IDE HDD would boot faster, but no. No such luck. Bloat where you look[0]. So, anyway, if you are interested (any "you") in a old-style scripted sysvinit/old-gentoo/OpenRC (new-gentoo) style init) boot for openSUSE, we should get together. For now, just mail me, later on we can set up what we need. Oh, and we should set up a repo for init-scripts for reference, as I have few "servers" installed, please archive the sysv init-scripts of those packages you have installed (and later mail/upload them to me / that project? I still have to think about that). I, on myself, am capable of running my (now) 12.1 for another 10 years, just as I ran my 6.2 for over 10 years. Roll my own kernels, packages etc. (I already use e.g. a patched GTK ;), no problem per se. But I don't want to. I'd rather use openSUSE or gentoo (where I also already patched some builds with stupid dependecies, but there that's an overlay and blends seamlessly into the system). But I'd rather have a "sane" SUSE. My SUSE. That I've been using now for over 15 years. And if I "fork" "building" some alternate init to systemd (sysv, openrc), I don't want to do that alone. And share it. But doing it "shareable" I can't and do not want to do alone. It's so much easier to do a script just for you than to do it "right". Just have a look at some of the /etc/init.d scripts. Some of them are quite old, pimped with a "INIT INFO" header, but basically the same as in, say, 1998 :) Or 1995 according to their copyrights ;) *ARGH*[1] -dnh [0] need for an initrd, udev, etc. pp. [1] I should buzill that: /etc/init.d/ntp has a "#!/bin/sh" header (and 1995-2003 Copyright) but uses lots of "function foo()" *oergl* Ok, I've got more important stuff to rewrite as clean bash-script. It works as long as /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash ... And those init-scripts will probably will be officially obsoleted soonish (because of being replaced by systemd-units). So any Bug will probably be closed with a WONTFIX (obsolete)... *ARGH* -- With so many "textbook cases" of single points of failure, you'd think that we'd stop building systems to demonstrate the concept. -- Matt Curtin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org