Re: [opensuse] Cross-posting - why not?, was:

* Greg Freemyer [12-05-12 17:17]:

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg Freemyer [12-05-12 15:03]:

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That's how LKML (linux kernel mailing lists) handles it, so those technically elite users encourage and use a cross-posting philosophy on their main lists. I see it employed all the time there and I don't recall anyone ever complaining.

Has been (was) a long standing "rule" here.

Then, I'm arguing for a rule change :)

has been previously argued, you see the decision.

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With LKML, the end result is a collection of 100 or so related specialized lists were specialists are subscribed to just a few lists and anyone can post to any of the lists. If an issue affects multiple areas, then the posters just cross-post to all of the various lists and the reply-all philosophy that is mandated on LKML lists makes it work transparently.

openSUSE lists are not LKML :^) just as all countries do not use metric or speak the same language. Reply-all w/o trimming to list-only is also frowned upon in the wiki.

I'm not arguing we MUST follow LKML's lead.

good, but sure seems like it.

I am arguing the the opensuse lists are similar in nature to LKMLs with a primary list and multiple specialty lists, and we should therefor benchmark ourselves against them. From my perspective, the LKML netiquette is superior.

superior is relative in this case. I do not think so.

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In responding to the original I clearly failed to remove the other lists but in this particular instance how is one to know the post will be seen and how is one to effect the archives show proper threading without?

Once a email is cross-posted, I agree the only good option is to keep it up. But with openSUSE lists often only accepting subscribers posts, that fails too.

Thus I totally agree that as long as opensuse lists are typically subscriber only for posting, cross-posting should be avoided.

eg. It is not a decision that can be made in isolation from other issues I raised.

I do not see that. The "rules" here have been formulated and debated over many years to result in present day "netiquette" presented on the wiki.

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cross-posting generates unneeded duplication and where one does not have the facility or knowledge to /dev/null those, he is bombarded with needless traffic.

I suspect cross-posting will always be the minority of emails. And email client rules can be setup to detect and kill dups.

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The onus on providing readable content is on the poster and obligation is *not* transferred to the potential reader to clean the poster's mess!

Again, the onus on providing readable and properly formed content is on the poster....

I can only refer back to the LKML netiquette which is very different from the opensuse netiquette in regards to reply-all and cross-posting. They have found it works well and I'm sure there are various email client recipes available to handle the behavior in a smooth way.

LKML should not be discussed here. We are *not* LKML. Many on m$ and yahoo and ... lists believe html to be *the* way to post and we do not.

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Clearly my vote is that ALL opensuse lists be opened up for non-subscriber posts and follow the lead of LKML for both the reply-all and the cross-posting netiquette issues.

And *clearly* should be proffered in a "new thread" as has nothing to do with *this* thread.

I guess this was a borderline thread high-jack. I did that because I quoted some of your earlier email.

fyi: Is this mailing list the right place to discuss this? Or should it be on -project? In a cross-posting world, I could just add -project now and not worry about it.

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