ok thanks for all the replies, but this is leading me actually not really anywhere in this special term that I have described, I was giving an exact example, that for example darn bugs in perl bootloader scripts, grub or mkinitrd and kernels simply bring down whole stable systems especially when you upgrade them. as you guys have pointed out correctly, the isos never change with opensuse, so I must make a way to exchange crucial packages inside the original iso files from the opensuse project. So I guess I must iso edit them, or take a look at this kiwi stuff or whatever. I mean, logical reasoning would tell me, that if a vanilla release resulting in as iso was doing kinda fine, and patches in contained packes (rpms) were later sorted out, "simply" replacing lower versioned number (small version number increases/patches/fixes) inside the iso with the latest patched versions from the update repo, would still give me a stable iso as the updates and patches never jump that much as to lose functionality, or change fundamentally. after all they are called patches hotfixs and updates. To make this short, I really advocate for opensuse putting more weight onto absolutely delivering "bug-free" crucial packages which are needed for fundamental workings of a systems, so this would be to my limited knowledge, the kernel, the boot process and maybe a few crucial drivers and stacks. All the fancy stuff as with applications, sound doesnt work, or pixel junk (no hangs or crashes ofcourse) or some noncrucial libs missing or source trouble or locales or other stuff, isnt important according to my understanding, as those kind of packages can really be applied from within the basically running system just fine wia even remote access such as network, ssh, zypper and curl wget and whatnot. but when opensuse releases just give crazy output during install/upgrade such as grubdev2unixdev and kill your menu.lst, vlan tags suddenly not working any more in all network devices, or graphics drivers inside the kernel or whatever parts interacting with each other that simply dont bring up the system any more unless you manually need to apply some anti-kernelmodesettings commands in some config places, are completely lethal to my understanding. please opensuse project members, make fundamental packages most important and taken care of, and skip all the rest to later times when these elemental things are really working. greet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org