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Re: [opensuse] installing openSUSE on an older pc
On 8/28/2011 8:26 PM, Insomniac wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2011 08:10 C wrote:

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 14:49, Insomniac<Insomniactoo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
IMO, 7.3 and 9.3 were the best versions SuSE has ever put out. KDE
screwed up going to KDE4 and all the moronic eye candy garbage and
not-intuitive-anymore ways of getting to anything done and taking a
*LOT* of control away from the user

If you don't like it, you can EASILY install KDE3

"EASILY" is a relative term. If one has only dial-up and that is all one can
get because of any number of reasons, no, KDE3 is *NOT* easy to get.

(or Gnome2, or e16,
or Fluxbox, or, or, or...). KDE3 is still there and being regularly
maintained by a team here, and they are doing a great job at keeping
KDE3 alive for those who prefer it (thanks guys, your work is much
appreciated by those who favor KDE3).

I know this also and am happy that they are. Unfortunately it can't help me
for the reasons above. I'd give a kidney to be able to afford satellite (since
DSL nor cable is out here and won't be for a few more years yet).

The reality is... life moves on. You can either stay stuck in the
past (and Linux allows you to easily do this something you cannot do
with Windows by the way - for example, try installing Windows 3.11 and
then try to install the latest Firefox vs installing KDE3 in openSUSE
11.4) or you can use the new tools and features that are being
developed.

Many, many things of and from "the past" work well and have had no need to be
'fixed. Funny how that works sometimes. IMO, KDE3 was one of those things. The
supposed "new tools and features" are ho-hums and nothing to write home about
and, in some cases, have even been made worse (klipper, kmail, everything to do
with the garbage on the desktop that one has to have a 'cashew' for, the way one
has to jump through hoops to put anything on the taskbar with - that stupid
cashew thing again, kaffeine has lost much of my ability to do tweak things with
it, kwallet is a mess and won't stop bothering people, and there was another one
or two that I just can't remember at the moment that were real bummers for me
when I installed 11.3)

<snip>

or mailing lists and you hear the excuses M$ users used 10 years ago for
it not running well on their systems - ie: not enough RAM, reboot to fix
it, the 'oh you need the sooper-dooper-most-up-to-date-version of that
to work' excuse, ad nausea.

You HAVE A CHOICE. You do not need to run KDE4. It's not the only
way. No one forces you to use it. If you have a low spec machine,
use something like LXDE. That's why it's there, and it's a fully
supported option in openSUSE.

That has nothing to do with what I wrote above. I did *NOT* say he didn't have a
choice. Stay on the subject of each topic you're going to discuss please.

<snip>

finding updated apps *IF* they're necessary for whatever odd reason. As I
said, things seemed to just work, so hopefully you'll not need to worry
about updating anything. Me, I'm also going to put 9.3 back on another
partition and prove once-and-for-all that I should have stayed with it,
or not.

Nothing fundamentally wrong with using 9.3. It was a solid release,
but it's also horribly obsolete and thus full of old vulnerabilities

That none has ever exploited or even thought to bother to exploit. Good
grief,
you spread FUD like an M$ user!

that have been patched and fixed in updates that will not be applied
to that release. You are going to have a hell of a time finding a way
to install... Skype for example... or a modern browser. Firefox6 and
Chrome12 are not going to be easy animals to install. For a desktop
aimed at a beginner user who will want these tools and apps, it's a
poor choice.

Don't install them! You have a choice! Any of the older Firefox's work just
fine, as do any of the SeaMonkey's, Konqueror was a beautiful browser *AND*
works better than that abortion we have now called dolphin.

Well, I actually agree with 90% of what you said but in the interest of correctness, I do have to point out that this last is not quite true.

Just as it's not unilaterally easy to "just install kde3" as your example shows, so too it is not unilaterally easy to "just keep using the old version"

Try to log in to Google+ with the version of firefox embedded into the InstantON mini linux OS on several Viao and other laptops. All you get is a screen that says, literal quote, "Your browser is no longer supported. Google+ no longer supports your browser. Please upgrade your browser." and offers download links for the latest chrome, ie, firefox, & safari.

Gee how nice. I would love to upgrade the browser but that mini OS is only updatable by Sony and they are NOT. It's made of linux and other gpl stuff like firefox but never the less source is not available. Sure it's GPL violation but that doesn't magically make it possible for all the users to actually do what other users and developers are saying they should "just do". And this old version of firefox? It's only from late 2009, not _nearly_ as old as suse 9.3.

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