On Sunday, August 28, 2011 08:10 C wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 14:49, Insomniac
wrote: IMO, 7.3 and 9.3 were the best versions SuSE has ever put out. KDE screwed up going to KDE4 and all the moronic eye candy garbage and not-intuitive-anymore ways of getting to anything done and taking a *LOT* of control away from the user
If you don't like it, you can EASILY install KDE3
"EASILY" is a relative term. If one has only dial-up and that is all one can get because of any number of reasons, no, KDE3 is *NOT* easy to get.
(or Gnome2, or e16, or Fluxbox, or, or, or...). KDE3 is still there and being regularly maintained by a team here, and they are doing a great job at keeping KDE3 alive for those who prefer it (thanks guys, your work is much appreciated by those who favor KDE3).
I know this also and am happy that they are. Unfortunately it can't help me for the reasons above. I'd give a kidney to be able to afford satellite (since DSL nor cable is out here and won't be for a few more years yet).
The reality is... life moves on. You can either stay stuck in the past (and Linux allows you to easily do this something you cannot do with Windows by the way - for example, try installing Windows 3.11 and then try to install the latest Firefox vs installing KDE3 in openSUSE 11.4) or you can use the new tools and features that are being developed.
Many, many things of and from "the past" work well and have had no need to be 'fixed. Funny how that works sometimes. IMO, KDE3 was one of those things. The supposed "new tools and features" are ho-hums and nothing to write home about and, in some cases, have even been made worse (klipper, kmail, everything to do with the garbage on the desktop that one has to have a 'cashew' for, the way one has to jump through hoops to put anything on the taskbar with - that stupid cashew thing again, kaffeine has lost much of my ability to do tweak things with it, kwallet is a mess and won't stop bothering people, and there was another one or two that I just can't remember at the moment that were real bummers for me when I installed 11.3) <snip>
or mailing lists and you hear the excuses M$ users used 10 years ago for it not running well on their systems - ie: not enough RAM, reboot to fix it, the 'oh you need the sooper-dooper-most-up-to-date-version of that to work' excuse, ad nausea.
You HAVE A CHOICE. You do not need to run KDE4. It's not the only way. No one forces you to use it. If you have a low spec machine, use something like LXDE. That's why it's there, and it's a fully supported option in openSUSE.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote above. I did *NOT* say he didn't have a choice. Stay on the subject of each topic you're going to discuss please. <snip>
finding updated apps *IF* they're necessary for whatever odd reason. As I said, things seemed to just work, so hopefully you'll not need to worry about updating anything. Me, I'm also going to put 9.3 back on another partition and prove once-and-for-all that I should have stayed with it, or not.
Nothing fundamentally wrong with using 9.3. It was a solid release, but it's also horribly obsolete and thus full of old vulnerabilities
That none has ever exploited or even thought to bother to exploit. Good grief, you spread FUD like an M$ user!
that have been patched and fixed in updates that will not be applied to that release. You are going to have a hell of a time finding a way to install... Skype for example... or a modern browser. Firefox6 and Chrome12 are not going to be easy animals to install. For a desktop aimed at a beginner user who will want these tools and apps, it's a poor choice.
Don't install them! You have a choice! Any of the older Firefox's work just fine, as do any of the SeaMonkey's, Konqueror was a beautiful browser *AND* works better than that abortion we have now called dolphin. -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE: 3.5.10 "release 41" 19:10pm up 2 days 20:07, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.07, 0.01 Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. -Isaac Asimov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org